[Auto] WOW ---- New and used cars from US up to 30% cheaper - Read post #1

[kup ladder]

Jeez... come on people! Isn't it worth it to buy the car in the States just out of spite?

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[mangoman]

Just watched it this morning (episode 511):

http://drivingtv.canada.com/CarRevie...s.php?ccID=569

[Monsieurmaggot]

So US car sales are weak and insignificant eh?

Here's the proof. I should get the Medal of Canada for this.

Canadian domestic car/truck sales totalled approximately 118,000 units in November.

Over 30,000 vehicles were imported last month.

Using my simple math, that works out that 25% of the market is buying in the US.

Who can dispute that?


http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/s/03122007...-cent.html?p=5


http://www.wheels.ca/article/46942

Can someone from the automotive sector please correct my information?

Clearly the press is making this stuff up.

This isn't true. US sales are "insignificant" remember?

What is frightening is that some sales (like BMW) are up!

[pinchio]

I've been following these discussions and I would jump on a deal if I couldn't get past the financing aspect.

I don't recall seeing any US financing options. If this is the case then you are either left to finance from the bank or pay cash.

Now I don't know about you but I don't have that kind of liquidity so I would be at the mercy of the bank rates...

In addition if I did find financing I would be out of pocket for duties and taxes.

So am I to assume deals like these are mainly for those with liquidity (cash) or those willing to accept the high Canadian bank loan rates?

Just would like to see more discussion on financing strategies people are using.

After all what good is a deal if you can't afford it. The only reason I see going with the Canadian dealer is that have nailed the available financing (a marketing ploy no doubt) options.

Cheers,

Rob

[shopper-X]

i think it's been covered here before, but too far back to find it...Toyota won't do my DRL conversion on my 2007 Prius. Where do I go for that?

Option 1:
Do the headlights turn off when you turn off the Prius? If so you could try pulling a fast one and leave the headlights on and when they turn the car on the lights are on.

We leave the headlights on all the time in our Tribeca because they turn off with it. It has DRL's but prefer the full lights all the time.

Option 2:
Download the instructions here
http://priuschat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33563
If you are not comfortable with the install, find a shop that will help you.

No one will do the Daytime Running Light conversion for me. I went in for fog lights, the fog light guy says no. Toyota won't touch it. What do I do?

Search the web, there is loads of info on this. Crappy tire will do it.

http://www.webelectricproducts.com/products.htm

Found this
http://priuschat.com/forums/showpost...11&postcount=6

You can add DRLs to your Prius fairly easy. (Web Electic Products makes a module which converts your front turn signals to DRLs similar to what GM does on a lot of their cars. The kit comes with an excellent set of installation directions and all of the parts needed.

I've installed their module on my Prius and one other car - both work flawlessly. I prefer the look of the turn signal DRLs to the high beam DRLs.

dotcalamitie, not to be rude but there is no reason to keep asking the same question when it was answered before. This whole thread is about doing your homework and asking questions that you can not find to answers to yourself. I already searched and found you an answer on page 695 and you asked the same question on page 719. I'm pretty sure if you read the Prius forum you could find an alternate answer or buy the parts and get an auto electrical mechanic to install it. Someone will install it for you but you need to find that person. There are even step-by-step instructions in Option 2 I posted that you can get if you join that forum. Give the instructions to any corner shop mechanic and they will most likely do it for you.

Good luck with the DRL's.

[Snocow]

Just plated my 2008 Toyota Camry SE today.
MTO kept my original Certificate of Origin.

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

So in other words out of a total of 118K+30K car purchased in canada, 20% were from the USA.
I wonder how many of those 30K were consumer purchases vs dealers purchasing american cars to gouge the Canadian consumer in Canada.

I hope this trend continues, and does not go down,

I can't undrstand how BMW is up, ??????????? damn, i guess people are leasing those 328 four door sedans for 3 years, and that counts as a car purchase for them. To me that is renting a car.

So US car sales are weak and insignificant eh?

Here's the proof. I should get the Medal of Canada for this.

Canadian domestic car/truck sales totalled approximately 118,000 units in November.

Over 30,000 vehicles were imported last month.

Using my simple math, that works out that 25% of the market is buying in the US.

Who can dispute that?


http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/s/03122007...-cent.html?p=5


http://www.wheels.ca/article/46942

Can someone from the automotive sector please correct my information?

Clearly the press is making this stuff up.

This isn't true. US sales are "insignificant" remember?

What is frightening is that some sales (like BMW) are up!

[shopper-X]

So in other words out of a total of 118K+30K car purchased in canada, 20% were from the USA.
I wonder how many of those 30K were consumer purchases vs dealers purchasing american cars to gouge the Canadian consumer in Canada.

I hope this trend continues, and does not go down,

I can't undrstand how BMW is up, ??????????? damn, i guess people are leasing those 328 four door sedans for 3 years, and that counts as a car purchase for them. To me that is renting a car.

BMW is probably up due to Business leases since leases count as a sale. Executives want to drive BMW's to feel as if they have "arrived" to success even if it's a entire 3 series. The almighty status symbol if you may.

Leases are also easier for accounting over financing.

[mdbuffy]

I posted the following thread:
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/s...ostcount=10787
Transport Canada motor vehicle standards costs Canadian car buyers $5.1 BILLION each year

The I saw the thread:
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/s...ostcount=10801
Competition Bureau reply notably from the son of Ed Broadbent

Thanks to the original poster and for the poster of the comments.

The reply from Mr. Broadbent was just disgusting but I guess that is why he is in that job.

That thread brought up the issue of jobs in the auto industry which I am sure Mr. Broadbent is anxious to protect since the NDP campaigns are funded by the unions and presumably those in unions vote for the NDP.

An auto maker will open or close or lay off shifts at a plant no matter what country it is depending on optimization of the overall corporate production capacity.

In any event, how far would the $5.1 BILLION PLUS per year that Canadian auto buyers pay would cover the buy-outs of those who became unemployed by the Canadian auto industry.

GM retains Earnscliffe Strategy Group as their lobbyist in Ottawa. Earnscliffe has many senior ex-HRDC employees on staff. Wonder how much GM is receiving in re-training, etc. as a result of the efforts of Earnscliffe. Maybe Earnscliffe represents the GM bogeyman for the government....letting them know that GM "might" close plants in Canada. Hell, they have been closing them anyways.

So what does our paying $5.1 BILLION a year guarantee as far as jobs go. Nothing.

GM will make their decision to close a plant in Canada or anywhere else based on alot of factors other than Canadian car prices.

The manufacturers have been getting their $5.1BILLION PLUS premium each year for a long time. It has to come to an end.

Thanks for posting this one...too bad it doesn't get any airtime.
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/s...ostcount=10800
Good reading: A CBC article by Neil Macdonald
Want a cheaper car? Sorry, you're Canadian
December 7, 2007

If the Conservatives don't harmonize motor vehicle safety standards, they are allowing $5.1 BILLION to be sucked out of voters pockets and dividended to foreign companies. There are approximately 1,700,000 new motor vehicles bought in Canada each year.

That means a significant number of votes, even if 50% haven't got a clue about the RFD purchase decision approach...to know what the best deal is.

[GougingCarCartelGroup]

That is sad though, i see a boat load of 3 series on the roads, i guess they all think they got some super luxury mobile

I guess in Canada, even the people that supposedly made it have to drive "entry level" stuff. I guess the BMW 5 series is not within grasp for them.

BMW 528 = 44K in USA, in Canada it is: 60K
BMW 535 = 49K in USA, in Canada it is: 69K

The 5 series american prices are the Canadian prices for the Entry 3 series LOL That is just stupid how we are gouged in this country.

BMW is probably up due to Business leases since leases count as a sale. Executives want to drive BMW's to feel as if they have "arrived" to success even if it's a entire 3 series. The almighty status symbol if you may.

Leases are also easier for accounting over financing.

[03terminator]

New RIV admissibility list Dec 7, 2007. At quick glance can't tell the change.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/impor...list/VAFUS.pdf

[Marzipan]

So US car sales are weak and insignificant eh?

Here's the proof. I should get the Medal of Canada for this.

Canadian domestic car/truck sales totalled approximately 118,000 units in November.

Over 30,000 vehicles were imported last month.

Using my simple math, that works out that 25% of the market is buying in the US.

I think we have to note that the import figure is both new and used. Domestic sales are new only.

Did I see somewhere that only 22% of imports were new? It seems low, I know.

[2ride4life]

whoa didn't mean to cause a commotion. I have been reading this thread for a long while now, all the information has made me more confident to purchase a car in the states. I am trying to do my homework which is why I posted in the first place, to try and avail myself to the expertise on this thread.

Wow. If $4,000 isn't significant, why are you even bothering to look on red flag deals? Don't forget your $4,000 markup means your car is going to depreciate $4,000 more than the guy who bought their car in the states!

Hey don't get me wrong, $4000 is definitely significant. If it is real. If you look at my OP and the calculations, because of my situation I would either be using the 2.9% financing in canada over 5 years or 6.75% bank loan from PCfinancial/CIBC over the same term. So that initial $4000 difference is before duty. After duty and taxes the difference drops to ~$1500.

Don't forget about the financing option in Canada. A 3% difference in financing/leasing $25000 results $750 difference annually. Make that over 4 years and you do the Math...Even if you have the cash, you can invest it and still make up for the $4000 difference....

Some car are worth to import some are not....Just need to do your home work...

I apologize, a little confused by your comment. The difference in interest between financing and taking out a loan ~$2600 in favour of CDN.

Jeez... come on people! Isn't it worth it to buy the car in the States just out of spite?

Sorry, but to buy car in the states out of spite if it ends up costing you more doesn't make sense to me. Isn't that why this thread started in the first place. To make an informed choice so that one doesn't end up paying more than one is required to?

[toolman]

I had the very same experience you listed in #1-4 last week - no tax - and the dealer took care of everything. I guess because of that law you mention in #6 they got the title transfered under my name. However, I asked the dealer to fax the copy of his title, both sides since they wrote my name and address on the back, to the border, just to expedite the process while I was waiting for my title. This was good enough for US Customs. When I showed up at the border I had the original under my name. It worked.

My experience is exactly the same. I picked up my new Sienna and drove it straight out of Ohio. No state tax paid. I crossed the Windsor / Detroit border on November 2. I had the original title in my name and the stamped it.

[Nitol]

I just purchased a vehicle (literally two weeks ago) in Ohio from a dealer and I did not have to pay sales tax. My dealer had everything taken care of for me as part of the sale.

The forms I signed were:
1. Power of attorney from owner to assign title to a motor vehicle or from purchaser to apply for title.
2. Application for certificate of title to a motor vehicle.
3. Exemption Certificate and affidavit regarding sale of motor vehicle, 0ff-highway motorcycle, or all-purpose vehicle to an out-of-state resident.

More information of the process I went through:

4. I sent a photocopy of my driver's license.
5. In my case the vehicle had never been titled so they did title it in my name. The titling in my name and the statement of my intention to leave the country with the car was key in the tax exemption.
6. Ohio law requires the retention of the original title if the car is being shipped out of country. They will send you a certified receipt of title surrender and two certified copies of the title. This documentation was acceptable for US Customs (or so they said after I faxed them all the documents).
7. You might want to call Ohio BMV Title Administration and Customer Service Unit at 614-752-7671 and ask to speak to the export-import assistant and they will advise you of the steps necessary to remove your vehicle from Ohio. The ladies name I spoke to was Sandi and she was very helpful.

Hope this was helpful. There must be some misinformation with the folks you are dealing with. The rules couldn't have changed in 10 days.

Good luck.
SS

Thanks,that was a great 1st post,very helpful.
Will try the # first thing Monday.