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10 days paid sick leave



Trudeau will push for 10 days paid sick leave for all Canadian workers
The prime minister said today that he is in discussion with the premiers to make 10 days paid sick leave mandatory for all workers across Canada.

"Nobody should have to choose between taking sick leave or paying their bills," Justin Trudeau said during his daily press briefing today.

Trudeau added that Ottawa is continuing discussions with provincial leaders to ensure that the policy is implemented when the economy begins recovering from the pandemic.

"We will also be looking at other longer-term mechanisms to support workers who need sick leave," he added.
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This appears to meet a key demand from NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, in exchange for the New Democrats’ support for a motion to limit sittings and votes in the House of Commons through the summer.
“We are continuing to make it clear that we need a commitment that the government is willing to provide paid sick leave for all Canadians,” Singh said during a news conference on Parliament Hill.

“We’re suggesting the government can use something like the (Canada Emergency Response Benefit) or employment insurance to deliver that program federally immediately. But we want to see something that is long term and that will require working with provinces and employers to deliver a long-term commitment so that forever in our country, everyone who needs paid sick leave will have access to it.”
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Good move. This is something that should have been implemented decades ago. Especially for people with low incomes, losing a day's wages isn't worth it and will show up to work sick, making their coworkers sick. It happens all the time.

I don't have sick days, if I don't go to work I don't get paid. Staying home for three days if I have a sniffle is a tough thing to do if it's going to cost me $900.
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I support 10 days paid sick leave. paid by federal government.
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Dec 28, 2011
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I’ve always worked at places with sick paid time off. This was completely new to me. I’m so out of touch lately
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callernamet wrote: I support 10 days paid sick leave. paid by federal government.
What's the difference? You know there is no far away federal government. We have to pay either way. I guess if you have a labour intensive business you might not want any burden to fall on employers but overall it's a wash.
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I've always worked at places with paid sick leave, some unlimited. No one would ever stay home if sick with a cold (maybe even flu). Maybe a person would stay home a day at the most, but always had people in coughing and sneezing. Maybe this will change, but it sure wasn't the norm before covid.
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Energie11 wrote: I’ve always worked at places with sick paid time off. This was completely new to me. I’m so out of touch lately
All provinces must provide a certain number of sick days, but only Quebec and one Atlantic province require paid sick days. One each. I think federal employers don't have to, but the federal government has unions. I've worked at jobs where I outcompeted people simply by being healthier.

The rules on sick leave are the minimum. Good jobs usually give you paid sick days. Most employment rules are provincial responsibilities, so it doesn't really matter what Trudeau says. Some premiers may decide they want to require paid sick days, but some won't.
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FoFai2015 wrote: All provinces must provide a certain number of sick days
IF you have regular hours. More and more people work in the gig economy where they have none of that. Even if you do have a job with an employer—even a unionized one—and work full time, you might not have any regular hours at all; you work full time by taking casual shifts. No sick days, no paid vacation days, no pension. And no sick days. Sick for a week? Lose a week's wages.

If you have sick days, sure it's easy to stay home for a week if you have a sniffle like all the medical people want you to. That's not so easy for those of us who don't, where doing what we are expected to do is a huge personal sactifice. The proportion of people like us in the workforce is growing in number all the time.
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So does this mean I don't need to use my current banked sick leave, I use this (if it comes down that I ever need to)
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This is yet another piece of evidence that this prime minister failing. Again. Anyone with half of pea sized brain knows that 10 days of paid sick leave is far from enough. We need at least 20, preferably 40. Everyone should call up your member of parliament and express your disappointment against this proposal. What a world we have got into.
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nice, good job, no change for me though cus i get paid sick days but it helps my nephew as he gets unpaid when he is sick and i can imagine how tough this is as i used to be the same
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fogetmylogin wrote: What's the difference? You know there is no far away federal government. We have to pay either way. I guess if you have a labour intensive business you might not want any burden to fall on employers but overall it's a wash.
Let federal pay. be it in any money or credit instead of MAKING companies pay or provinces pay. Feds and NDP playing politics here. Nothing to do with Covid. Everyone is taking advantage of Covid-19 except slamming whenever Conservatives asks for any changes. These things were actually long overdue and was always political. Remember many companies left Ontario because of such or many such things.
I dont care about Ethics, morals, rules or laws. I will apologies only when I get caught.
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Where I work we have 6 paid sick days but no one uses them for a cough or sniffle. People would save them for more serious sicknesses. One of my colleagues showed up for 3 weeks in a row with a persistent dry, hacking cough back in February. I still wonder if that could have been C19...
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This will be tricky to implement. Will the government mandate that employers give 10 sick days to employees ? What if people work for 2 or more employers, or work on contracts ? Or are in between jobs ? Seems easy to game. Might as well give everyone money.
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alexinvestor wrote: This will be tricky to implement. Will the government mandate that employers give 10 sick days to employees ? What if people work for 2 or more employers, or work on contracts ? Or are in between jobs ? Seems easy to game. Might as well give everyone money.
Tricky yes, even more so because other than federally-regulated industries, this is primary Provincial jurisdiction - so don't count on anything being legislated for ALL workers anytime soon. It is appeasement of the federal NDP for now.
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The "issue" that I see is that labour law is mostly provincial jurisdiction except for federally regulated or federal institutions where most employees probably have paid sick days.

It is the same reason why in Quebec we don't have a paid Family Day holiday and that Remembrance Day isn't a paid holiday in the province of Quebec (and a few other provinces).
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alexinvestor wrote: This will be tricky to implement. Will the government mandate that employers give 10 sick days to employees ? What if people work for 2 or more employers, or work on contracts ? Or are in between jobs ? Seems easy to game. Might as well give everyone money.
Good point about working for more than one company. And now we know why contract workers are common in Ontario.
I dont care about Ethics, morals, rules or laws. I will apologies only when I get caught.
I try not to apologies but sometimes do it. not because its right thing but it benefits me.
New Mantra for idiots Just ask RFD before searching answers anywhere.
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If this happens, it's only going to hurt small businesses even more. Trudeau says it's to ensure that people who are sick with COVID-19 don't have to come into work, yet he's pushing for a permanent 10 days a year, instead of a temporary thing during the pandemic.
Talk about trying to take advantage of a disaster.
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ConsoleWatcher wrote: If this happens, it's only going to hurt small businesses even more. Trudeau says it's to ensure that people who are sick with COVID-19 don't have to come into work, yet he's pushing for a permanent 10 days a year, instead of a temporary thing during the pandemic.
Talk about trying to take advantage of a disaster.
I remember beginning of March Trudeau insisted there was no need to close the border to prevent visitors from high risk countries coming here. It was if he just blindly followed what the corrupt WHO told him, maybe because he was so desperate to get China's approval for a seat on the UN Security Council. Now he seems to be using Covid to push through all his personal pet projects- gun control, possible permanent basic salary, 2 weeks sick pay, raising taxes without getting parliamentary approval, contract tracing privacy app coming soon and who knows what else to come. There seems to be no one stopping him from pushing through his agenda in parliament, which has mostly been empty as the MP's have been WFH.

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