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2017 CX-9 Possible Cracked Cylinder Head - Just Past Powertrain Warranty

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2017 CX-9 Possible Cracked Cylinder Head - Just Past Powertrain Warranty

Hi.

Currently at 76k.
Bought this from Audi of Mississauga in August 2021.
Powertrain Warranty expired Dec. 7/22.

Anyway, I had heat problems starting a couple of weeks ago. Even after remote starting, dash, floor and defrost vents would blow cool air but rear cabin was blowing hot as usual. Would drive for 10 minutes before the heat would kick in up front. The front blows air in all settings it's just that it would blow cool for quite a while.

Spent hours trying to diagnose. There are three blend door acutaors up front. Beside gas pedal and two beside glove box. Only the top one beside the glove has a lever to turn and that turns fine. Only one door is visible and that's the one for the circulation setting. With the glove box out you can see that opens and shuts. I think the actuators are fine. It would be odd if more than one failed up front at the same time. Whether it's on auto or dual setting, it's the same heat problem.

There was a TSB for poor heater performance and I followed that regarding checking the inlet and outlet hoses from the HVAC box. Checked out fine using my thermometer. After running car for a while without heat ON, the inlet and outlet hoses were fairly close in temp around 40. That's the prodecure and it was fine. So doesn't appear to be plugged heater core.

Coolant has been leaking out. I didn't notice right away because a few weeks ago I had both cars rust proofed and that dropped tonnes of grease on my driveway. When I finally noticed, I check the reservoir and it was 1 inch above L. So got the coolant from Mazda dealer and topped up. Drove car a few more times and it dropped 2 inches below F. No warning light and no white smoke from exhaust. Oil on dipstick looks fine to the naked eye and not milky. No overheating. Needle is right in the middle.

It's not right under the rad as I can see no fresh fluid on the tray there. It's I figure a good 12 inches further up toward the cabin. I put a pizza box down to see the drips. I can't say for sure if it's say leaking at the thermostat for instance or somewhere else. I see no wet spots anywhere inside the engine bay but it's pretty compact in there.

The worst case scenario is a cracked cylinder head and coolant was mixing with my oil during the times I was driving. I eventually stumbled upon this after much research. Lots of people on Mazda forums posting about this. Lots of them had it happen past warranty and it's a known problem. They said Mazda goodwilled engine replacement or at least the cylinder head, though I don't know how many were Canadian. And there's lots of talk of possible class action but nothing concrete so far. I examined for cracks around where the exhaust manifold meets the engine and I can't see anything. But impossible to see the back of it. Here's the TSB: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2022/ ... 0-0001.pdf

I am waiting for Audi dealer to call me back but I talked to the local Mazda where I got one oil change done and tires. But I didn't get my last oil change done there because the timing didn't work out and I had to go a couple hours up north. So did it at a Goodyear franchise close by. I keep all invoices. Dealer Service Manager said he doesn't think Mazda will cover this even if it's just one day past powertrain warranty. And they've only seen my car twice. He said you should try calling Mazda customer service.

I haven't driven this for four days now. I don't mind the $149 diagnostic at the dealer but I kind of what some input before I get CAA to drop it off there and do that.

Wondering if any of you can provide some advice based on past experiences. An engine replacement would be pretty catastrophic to my finances.

If I call Mazda customer service, any suggestions on what to say? Never had to do this before.

Thanks for the input.
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What do you expect the Audi dealer to do? They don't have any obligation to you. Mazda doesn't owe you anything after the warranty either, so you'll be lucky if they do anything for you.

Have you checked your oil for coolant contamination? Should be easy to see.

If you do have a leak, you probably also have air in the system so you should also be bleeding that out. Air will also affect your levels, making it hard to see what's going on. Coolant temp will also affect your levels, to make sure you check at the same temp.
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This is a well documented issue affecting all model years of the CX-9 from 2016 onwards. You will need a new engine and it looks like you are past the 5 years powertrain warranty. I also have leaking coolant but its not as bad yet. We are planning on replacing our car soon and its a 2019

The crack in the cylinder head is due to road forces weakening the aluminum block as described by mazda.

https://mazdas247.com/forum/t/2-5t-cool ... 123875515/

Many have been and are being or will be burned by mazda for owning a cx-9.
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Very unfortunate situation but definitely don’t expect Audi to do anything unless you bought some sort of extended warranty. Even then you would deal with the ware manufacturer. Audi sold you the car since 2021.

Mazda also has not much to do if there’s no recall and it’s past the warranty period. Plus you didn’t buy the car new/used from that dealership so don’t really expect any goodwill scenario from them.

All you can do is keep talking to Mazda corporate and the dealership and hope for some sort of discount on parts or labour.

If nothing, find a private mechanic.
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Did Mazda issue a recall for this issue, if it’s as widespread as it seems, I can’t see why they wouldn’t.
Check your VIN here https://www.mazdarecalls.ca/

With my nephew’s 2012 Kia, there was a recall that affected the engine (2.4L) and just got his vehicle back a couple weeks ago with a brand new engine in it, all covered by Kia.
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Looks like this is pretty widespread, your best hope is to contact Mazda's customer service and hope they goodwill it.

Wonder if other Mazda models with this boosted 4 are impacted. I remember even back in the day those Mazdaspeed motors would grenade.
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trixstar wrote: This is a well documented issue affecting all model years of the CX-9 from 2016 onwards. You will need a new engine and it looks like you are past the 5 years powertrain warranty. I also have leaking coolant but its not as bad yet. We are planning on replacing our car soon and its a 2019

The crack in the cylinder head is due to road forces weakening the aluminum block as described by mazda.

https://mazdas247.com/forum/t/2-5t-cool ... 123875515/

Many have been and are being or will be burned by mazda for owning a cx-9.
That’s Mazda quality?! Terrible.
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IndusVally wrote: Looks like this is pretty widespread, your best hope is to contact Mazda's customer service and hope they goodwill it.

Wonder if other Mazda models with this boosted 4 are impacted. I remember even back in the day those Mazdaspeed motors would grenade.
I've wondered this, was this engine first used in the 16 CX9? It seems to happen after some km have gone by, so more recent applications like the cx30 may not be at the risky odometer reading yet.

Anecdotally, it recently started showing in 2019 CX9's , so ya f me.
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GTA12345 wrote: I've wondered this, was this engine first used in the 16 CX9? It seems to happen after some km have gone by, so more recent applications like the cx30 may not be at the risky odometer reading yet.

Anecdotally, it recently started showing in 2019 CX9's , so ya f me.
If you’re within warranty, keep it until the head cracks and you have catastrophic engine failure. If you are running out of warranty or out, keep an eye on the coolant level and if you notice it dropping a bit after a top up in a short amount of time, sell it quick. Mazda will not repair or replace any engine if its burning coolant. They will only replace if its visibly gushing out under warranty.
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trixstar wrote: If you’re within warranty, keep it until the head cracks and you have catastrophic engine failure. If you are running out of warranty or out, keep an eye on the coolant level and if you notice it dropping a bit after a top up in a short amount of time, sell it quick. Mazda will not repair or replace any engine if its burning coolant. They will only replace if its visibly gushing out under warranty.
I'm within, and also super low km so not likely to get high enough to be really high risk before lease ends. 5 yr, matches the warranty nicely.

Though I tow a bit so that worries me, just 2000 lb but I can't imagine that will help the issue.
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GTA12345 wrote: I'm within, and also super low km so not likely to get high enough to be really high risk before lease ends. 5 yr, matches the warranty nicely.

Though I tow a bit so that worries me, just 2000 lb but I can't imagine that will help the issue.
It's a lease, so why care about this issue? Just return to dealer at lease end.
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GTA12345 wrote: I've wondered this, was this engine first used in the 16 CX9? It seems to happen after some km have gone by, so more recent applications like the cx30 may not be at the risky odometer reading yet.

Anecdotally, it recently started showing in 2019 CX9's , so ya f me.
Yup, it was first used in the 2016 CX9. One of the reasons I passed by the CX9 at the time. I don't trust turboed Mazdas.
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Your symptoms seem like a bad thermostat. An exterior coolant leak wouldn't slow down the warming up of the engine/getting heat into the cabin

Oil mixing with your coolant is an easy check. Open your oil cap, look at your dipstick, look inside the rad. If they were also mixing with each other, you would see that the fluids are not their normal color or consistency.

You can pull your spark plugs to see if a head gasket has failed and you are burning coolant. This seems unlikely as you have coolant drops. A cracked head shouldnt cause coolant to drop on your driveway, but the TSB does say otherwise.

I think you need to first determine where the coolant is going/leaking from. Get the system pressure tested if you cant visually see the leak
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+1 on the thermostat. One of the first symptoms of a bad thermostat is that there is no heat coming through the vents.
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Does the engine oil look like a chocolate milkshake?
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So you've already confirmed that you're leaking coolant from somewhere with the pizza box, correct?

I don't see Audi helping you unless your used car came with, or you bought, their own in-house used car warranty, and it's still valid.

If you can't find the leak then I I would pay the $150 diag fee to be 100% sure it's a cracked cylinder head or not. If it's actually a cracked cylinder head then I would;

1. Try to get goodwill out of the dealership. You 'just' passed the warranty period, but I know people who have passed the warranty period by a few months or a few thousand KM and they still got coverage. Just need to ask and plead your case.

2. Maybe dealer willing to split cost 50/50?

3. Worse case scenario pay for the engine replacement at the dealer and hope for a future class action lawsuit where you'll get reimbursed. Unfortunately I don't think this will happen with the CX9 because it's a low volume car.

4. Dedicate your life to shaming Mazda and steering away as many customers as possible

5. If you can't afford an engine replacement just keep topping up the coolant and drive her until she blows
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Get it checked my Mazda and hopefully it's the thermostat.

If it's the engine, then at least you've paid the $149 and you're at their mercy for goodwill.

No point at all calling Audi
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CanadianConsumerYEG wrote: So you've already confirmed that you're leaking coolant from somewhere with the pizza box, correct?

I don't see Audi helping you unless your used car came with, or you bought, their own in-house used car warranty, and it's still valid.

If you can't find the leak then I I would pay the $150 diag fee to be 100% sure it's a cracked cylinder head or not. If it's actually a cracked cylinder head then I would;

1. Try to get goodwill out of the dealership. You 'just' passed the warranty period, but I know people who have passed the warranty period by a few months or a few thousand KM and they still got coverage. Just need to ask and plead your case.

2. Maybe dealer willing to split cost 50/50?

3. Worse case scenario pay for the engine replacement at the dealer and hope for a future class action lawsuit where you'll get reimbursed. Unfortunately I don't think this will happen with the CX9 because it's a low volume car.

4. Dedicate your life to shaming Mazda and steering away as many customers as possible

5. If you can't afford an engine replacement just keep topping up the coolant and drive her until she blows
Thermostat is very unlikely. Cracked cylinder is highly likely. Mazda doesnt do goodwill repairs if you are 100 meters past your warranty period. Even more so for used car.
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trixstar wrote: Thermostat is very unlikely. Cracked cylinder is highly likely. Mazda doesnt do goodwill repairs if you are 100 meters past your warranty period. Even more so for used car.
Can’t speak for others but in our case my wife’s CX-5 was a few weeks outside factory warranty and I contacted corporate regarding an issue with the Bluetooth module. Certainly didn’t hurt that the advisor could see the vehicle wasn’t the first my wife purchased new and I explained the issue existed and a TSB generated while the vehicle was still under warranty. The advisor arranged for work to be completed at no charge.

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