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Feb 25th, 2020 10:21 am

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koffey [OP]: Deal Expert; Oct 6, 2010; 15508 posts; 10156 upvotes; Toronto

Feb 25th, 2020 10:21 am

2021 Subaru WRX STI - 400hp?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterlyon/ ... 26b93823f9

Sources close to the Japanese automaker tell us that the next generation WRX STI will employ an all-new 2.4-liter boxer turbo, called the FA24, pumping out no less than 400 horsepower and 361 lb-ft of torque.......reworked FA24 in STI spec will employ a reinforced crankshaft and pistons, optimized timing balance, fine-tuned valves and intake ports, boost pressure will be tweaked and brake capacity will be enhanced, among other modifications.........In creating the new more powerful STI engine, Subaru engineer’s apparently benchmarked the Mercedes-AMG 2.0-liter turbo — as found in the A45 and CLA45 — which pumps out 416 hp and 369 lb-ft of torque. This engine is currently recognized as the most powerful 2.0-liter series-production four-cylinder engine on the planet.......styling that takes significant design hints from the Subaru Viziv Performance Concept

400hp and under $50,000 if they keep the interior current.

No mention if the new WRX will be on the Toyota platform. And if so true, does that mean a new Celica GT4 ?

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Feb 25th, 2020 10:35 am

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EP32k2: Deal Expert; Jan 15, 2006; 19676 posts; 20115 upvotes; Richmond Hill

Feb 25th, 2020 10:35 am

They used MB's 2L AMG as the benchmark yet they fall way short? I confusedededed

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Feb 25th, 2020 11:00 am

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booblehead: Deal Expert; Jul 30, 2007; 32071 posts; 19285 upvotes; Toronto

Feb 25th, 2020 11:00 am

I think the Subie engineers intended this way (fall short of MB benchmark) so they can sell more cars on the facelift version by putting on more power thereafter.

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Feb 25th, 2020 11:00 am

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koffey [OP]: Deal Expert; Oct 6, 2010; 15508 posts; 10156 upvotes; Toronto

Feb 25th, 2020 11:00 am

EP32k2 wrote: ↑ They used MB's 2L AMG as the benchmark yet they fall way short? I confusedededed

They say no less than 400hp. I think the 400-420 mark is probably the sweet spot all the same. The 416hp mention is only tuned in the S euro spec which isn't getting to North American, base is 382hp.

booblehead wrote: ↑ I think the Subie engineers intended this way (fall short of MB benchmark) so they can sell more cars on the facelift version by putting on more power thereafter.

Call it the WRX STiS

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Feb 25th, 2020 11:03 am

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EP32k2: Deal Expert; Jan 15, 2006; 19676 posts; 20115 upvotes; Richmond Hill

Feb 25th, 2020 11:03 am

booblehead wrote: ↑ I think the Subie engineers intended this way (fall short of MB benchmark) so they can sell more cars on the facelift version by putting on more power thereafter.

Will still fall short since their power bumps are a whopping 5HP LMFAOOOOOOO

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Feb 25th, 2020 11:15 am

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koffey [OP]: Deal Expert; Oct 6, 2010; 15508 posts; 10156 upvotes; Toronto

Feb 25th, 2020 11:15 am

EP32k2 wrote: ↑ Will still fall short since their power bumps are a whopping 5HP LMFAOOOOOOO

I know right? I mean STI had a hard time even getting the S209 to North America, and without Subaru's help, it would never have happened so why should STI bump up the juices for Subaru. Running the same motor for the last zillion years is the perfect example of why the STI is still decades old. Changing one aspect of that motor means trouble if it isn't all spec'd properly and the biggest hurdle, emission standards.

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Feb 25th, 2020 11:42 am

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Fjr2005: Banned; Mar 11, 2016; 2081 posts; 891 upvotes

Feb 25th, 2020 11:42 am

damn..nice

Feb 25th, 2020 12:06 pm

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CensoredByRFD: Deal Addict; Nov 17, 2004; 3182 posts; 1530 upvotes

Feb 25th, 2020 12:06 pm

Pretty sure STi enthusiasts would be pretty happy with just 300hp+ that won’t pop a HG

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Feb 25th, 2020 12:09 pm

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vkizzle: Deal Expert; Aug 22, 2011; 38194 posts; 24382 upvotes; Center of Universe

Feb 25th, 2020 12:09 pm

400hp is the new 300hp.

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Feb 25th, 2020 12:27 pm

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EP32k2: Deal Expert; Jan 15, 2006; 19676 posts; 20115 upvotes; Richmond Hill

Feb 25th, 2020 12:27 pm

vkizzle wrote: ↑ 400hp is the new 300hp.

They need considering how porky cars are now, also because people only look at HP and not the overall package. 400hp so awesome, while the turd weighs in at 4500lbs LOLOLOL. Not saying the STI is going to weight that much just in general.

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Feb 25th, 2020 12:36 pm

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rilles: Deal Fanatic; Aug 29, 2001; 6040 posts; 1413 upvotes; rural ontario

Feb 25th, 2020 12:36 pm

Where is the STI forester?

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Feb 25th, 2020 1:07 pm

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koffey [OP]: Deal Expert; Oct 6, 2010; 15508 posts; 10156 upvotes; Toronto

Feb 25th, 2020 1:07 pm

rilles wrote: ↑ Where is the STI forester?

Not likely to ever happen. They no longer share similars and it wouldn't be worth the price to have STI design look fast bits. The Ascent now, lol.

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Feb 25th, 2020 4:55 pm

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nffclsr: Member; Oct 24, 2018; 384 posts; 363 upvotes

Feb 25th, 2020 4:55 pm

The last interview I read with the head of STI he said he was positive the next STI would be a hybrid or electric, and most likely using a CVT. So if that article above is true, it might be a 300bhp power plant with 100 extra coming from electricity.

What we really want is the STI Levorg bringing over this side of the pond.

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Feb 25th, 2020 6:46 pm

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BeaverLiquor: Deal Fanatic; Mar 1, 2005; 6194 posts; 4049 upvotes; Toronto

Feb 25th, 2020 6:46 pm

nffclsr wrote: ↑ The last interview I read with the head of STI he said he was positive the next STI would be a hybrid or electric, and most likely using a CVT. So if that article above is true, it might be a 300bhp power plant with 100 extra coming from electricity.

What we really want is the STI Levorg bringing over this side of the pond.

With the RS6 and the A35 coming to Canada there's a better chance we'll see the Levorg.

But it's too big for my needs and it's automatic CVT, wish they'd bring back the STi hatch.

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Feb 25th, 2020 6:52 pm

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EP32k2: Deal Expert; Jan 15, 2006; 19676 posts; 20115 upvotes; Richmond Hill

Feb 25th, 2020 6:52 pm

BeaverLiquor wrote: ↑ With the RS6 and the A35 coming to Canada there's a better chance we'll see the Levorg.

But it's too big for my needs and it's automatic CVT, wish they'd bring back the STi hatch.

We in such weird times. BMW had long been bringing wagons over and now they stopped when manufacturers are bringing them again lol

Feb 25th, 2020 7:24 pm

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notenoughsleep: Deal Fanatic; May 22, 2003; 8733 posts; 5589 upvotes; Vancouver

Feb 25th, 2020 7:24 pm

Hmmm...considering the Golf R is rumored to be 328 hp, I'd be very surprised if the STi was 400hp+

Feb 25th, 2020 7:38 pm

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EP32k2: Deal Expert; Jan 15, 2006; 19676 posts; 20115 upvotes; Richmond Hill

Feb 25th, 2020 7:38 pm

notenoughsleep wrote: ↑ Hmmm...considering the Golf R is rumored to be 328 hp, I'd be very surprised if the STi was 400hp+

Nope. Germans have always underrated. The Koreans and Japanese were notorious for overstating HP figures and have been caught and fined.

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Feb 26th, 2020 2:37 am

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derass: Deal Addict; Sep 8, 2017; 4634 posts; 4891 upvotes; GTA

Feb 26th, 2020 2:37 am

EP32k2 wrote: ↑ They used MB's 2L AMG as the benchmark yet they fall way short? I confusedededed

The MB M133 engine has been evolving over the years. It started in 2013 with 355 hp, then in 2015 it jumped to 375 hp.

For 2020, that engine has evolved once again to the M139 with either 382 or 416 hp depending on the trim.

I would assume Subaru has been benchmarking the old engine. It would be impossible for them to benchmark an engine that is barely on the market at this point.

Feb 26th, 2020 6:08 am

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BeaverLiquor: Deal Fanatic; Mar 1, 2005; 6194 posts; 4049 upvotes; Toronto

Feb 26th, 2020 6:08 am

EP32k2 wrote: ↑ We in such weird times. BMW had long been bringing wagons over and now they stopped when manufacturers are bringing them again lol

I think the market is over staturated with soccermom mobiles designers staging a revolt.

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Feb 26th, 2020 8:57 am

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koffey [OP]: Deal Expert; Oct 6, 2010; 15508 posts; 10156 upvotes; Toronto

Feb 26th, 2020 8:57 am

EP32k2 wrote: ↑ Nope. Germans have always underrated. The Koreans and Japanese were notorious for overstating HP figures and have been caught and fined.

And it wasn't too long ago the Japanese were understating lol.

derass wrote: ↑ The MB M133 engine has been evolving over the years. It started in 2013 with 355 hp, then in 2015 it jumped to 375 hp.

For 2020, that engine has evolved once again to the M139 with either 382 or 416 hp depending on the trim.

I would assume Subaru has been benchmarking the old engine. It would be impossible for them to benchmark an engine that is barely on the market at this point.

No, I don't think this is possible. The EJ is 30 years old and there is nothing more that it can do. I mean, STI has been running that motor in just about everything and competing with 6/8/10 even 12 cylinder monsters that put out hundreds of hp over the EJ and still manages to pull out wins or top placements simply because STI develops their complete cars for balance.

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