2nd vehicle advice

Buy Nissan Leaf type EV or any plug in hybrid. Tesla is not save money type vehicle.

If you have the stomach for rising fuel cost, your options is basically whatever you can get your hands on.

You have not listed any criteria for any suggestion. Mileage? Budget? New/Used? It can be a 2008 Toyota Corolla or 2002 Escalade V and everything in between.

My suggestion, uber app.

Do you need a big car like the VW Taos? Not sure if you have kids but if its just you and your wife consider a VW Golf. Great well designed car & the newer ones 2015 & newer are even better.

Xtrema wrote: ↑ If you have the stomach for rising fuel cost, your options is basically whatever you can get your hands on.

You have not listed any criteria for any suggestion. Mileage? Budget? New/Used? It can be a 2008 Toyota Corolla or 2002 Escalade V and everything in between.

My suggestion, uber app.

I suppose that is important criteria, huh? I'd like a new vehicle as I don't want to deal with repairs etc and am willing to pay for that convenience. I'd like to keep it under $70k. The only reason I really mentioned Tesla is because it seems to be one of the few EVs we could get within a reasonable time frame.

sickcars wrote: ↑ Do you need a big car like the VW Taos? Not sure if you have kids but if its just you and your wife consider a VW Golf. Great well designed car & the newer ones 2015 & newer are even better.

Nope, no kids. Before our truck we had a 2012 MK6 Golf GTI which we really loved. It is definitely an option. I do like the VWs. That said, I didn't think the Taos was that big.

Not sure what engine is in the Taos, but it would be heavier then the golf, so more fuel. Might might be worth looking into the golf or even a golf GTI or if you wanted to go all out a Golf R with AWD which would help in the winter.

durufle wrote: ↑ Nope, no kids. Before our truck we had a 2012 MK6 Golf GTI which we really loved. It is definitely an option. I do like the VWs. That said, I didn't think the Taos was that big.

Lol..basically every new car <70k with good mpg would for OP

durufle wrote: ↑ Nope, no kids. Before our truck we had a 2012 MK6 Golf GTI which we really loved. It is definitely an option. I do like the VWs. That said, I didn't think the Taos was that big.

Another Golf GTI or R? You have a healthy budget so I'm not sure what Taos buys you unless you want a less power engine and higher driving height.

I really have no trouble with new cars under warranty other than maintenance since 2010. So unless you really want to nail down fuel efficiency, I don't see why you need an EV.

That said, if your wife drive the F150 more than you do, then, giving her the EV and you drive the F150 isn't a bad idea to reduce fuel cost. But again, I don't get the feeling that's one of your objective.

iownyou wrote: ↑ Lol..basically every new car <70k with good mpg would for OP

True. I'd really love an EV, but they seem impossible to get. I would consider the Ionic 5, the ID4, perhaps the Polestar in addition to the Model 3.

durufle wrote: ↑ True. I'd really love an EV, but they seem impossible to get. I would consider the Ionic 5, the ID4, perhaps the Polestar in addition to the Model 3.

I would spend $63K for Kia EV6.

Genesis GV60 is also open for reservation in Canada if you want more upscale version. But the Korean trio is lacking rear wiper which sucks for Canadian winter.

But if you need it now, you have to hunt dealer lots. Hard to say what's available these days.

Xtrema wrote: ↑ Another Golf GTI or R? You have a healthy budget so I'm not sure what Taos buys you unless you want a less power engine and higher driving height.

I really have no trouble with new cars under warranty other than maintenance since 2010. So unless you really want to nail down fuel efficiency, I don't see why you need an EV.

That said, if your wife drive the F150 more than you do, then, giving her the EV and you drive the F150 isn't a bad idea to reduce fuel cost. But again, I don't get the feeling that's one of your objective.

The way i'm looking at this is -- If an EV would make a large dent in the fuel cost for her commute, I'd rather put that money towards the car vs literally burning it each month. The perks of not having to fill up, no oil changes etc is a bonus. That said, you are right, my main motivation is to add a second vehicle -- one that is reasonable economical fuel wise as her commute isn't likely going to change in the next 3-4 years. Having something with AWD would be nice for winters up here in Port Elgin.

If fuel economy didn't matter at all, I think the Golf R option would be great. My wife loved driving our old GTI.

durufle wrote: ↑ If fuel economy didn't matter at all, I think the Golf R option would be great. My wife loved driving our old GTI.

But I'm willing to be Taos and GTI which are made in Mexico would be more likely to be on the lots. R may be hard to comes by for awhile since Germany plants are in disarray after supply chain in Ukraine is now dead.

Xtrema wrote: ↑ But I'm willing to be Taos and GTI which are made in Mexico would be more likely to be on the lots. R may be hard to comes by for while since Germany plants are disarray after supply chain in Ukraine is now dead.

Yah, I've seen Taos on lots. A decently specced model with AWD is cost effective for sure. Obviously not as fun as an R, but certainly more practical.

Depends on how much you drive. Your options I think should be based on how much is it going to cost.

1. Buy the least expensive vehicle as you can. Let your wife use that for her commute. Something that takes very little gas or is electric, since it will probably be the most used vehicle put of the two.

2. Uber or Lyft. If you work from home and seldom leave the house until after hours. The odd time you do need to get somewhere, the overall cost to take a Uber or Lyft would make more financial sense. But that won't solve your mileage issue on the f-150.


Remember got to take, insurance, maintenance and gas into consideration.

so we've been in this situation for many years, one vehicle is a truck/suv we use for trucky things. the 2nd vehicle is/was a cheap to operate 4 cyl beater (think corolla, mazda3, civic, elantra, etc). we used this 2nd vehicle for commuting and for runs to town. i think the most i paid for these vehicles is $4k. zero fux given if it gets hit in a parking lot or rusts. replace in 4-5 years and repeat.

it's your money but i would not spend a lot for a vehicle with this duty

sickcars wrote: ↑ Do you need a big car like the VW Taos? Not sure if you have kids but if its just you and your wife consider a VW Golf. Great well designed car & the newer ones 2015 & newer are even better.

Can’t buy new golf’s anymore except for GTI. Used prices are insane for 2015-2017 golfs that were daily rentals - like 20k+ which makes no sense since they’ve been beaten up.

I’m in OPs same situation and I was thinking Taos too since it’s the golf replacement. Kicking myself for not picking up a cheap e-golf during pandemic.

spike1128 wrote: ↑ Buy Nissan Leaf type EV or any plug in hybrid. Tesla is not save money type vehicle.

Can't wait for the "EV boys" to come in here and tell you how you're wrong, Leaf sucks and Tesla is bestest evar. Then tell you about how you can just install solar panels on your roof to get "free" electricity and then totally ignore the fact that there's any cost involved in doing this. Then will probably proceed to tell you Tesla will not only save you money but will save you so much it will pretty much pay you for owning one

But yeah, back to reality...what you said seems to be the best answer.

sickcars wrote: ↑ Not sure what engine is in the Taos, but it would be heavier then the golf, so more fuel. Might might be worth looking into the golf or even a golf GTI or if you wanted to go all out a Golf R with AWD which would help in the winter.

Taos uses the 1.5T--basically a revision of the 1.4T and in the EA211 family, if I'm not mistaken.

The good thing about the Taos is it's almost as large in cargo capacity as the Tiguan. But the bad thing is, it's almost as expensive...so why not just buy a Tig?

Also it's really puzzling (to me) why the Taos exists given there's a SWB version of the Tiguan in ROW, which is more along the lines of the size of the previous Tig we had here. I guess Taos is just there for manufacturing reasons and how they setup the plants--it's marketed in NA, China, Russia, and South America, and built in corresponding plants--ours would come out of Puebla.

durufle wrote: ↑ I suppose that is important criteria, huh? I'd like a new vehicle as I don't want to deal with repairs etc and am willing to pay for that convenience. I'd like to keep it under $70k. The only reason I really mentioned Tesla is because it seems to be one of the few EVs we could get within a reasonable time frame.

Buy two vehicles in the 10k range
Drive one, once it needs work, switch to the other one while the first 1 is getting work done.
That spends 20k of your 70k.

You won’t spend 50k in the next 30 years on two vehicles, but I’m willing to bet that after 30 years, they 70k vehicle won’t be on the road or if it is, it’s still more expensive than the two 10k plus all the repairs put together.

If you want to do even better, put the 50k (left over the 2 vehicles) , maybe take a few grand and out into a bank account to keep liquid for repairs, put rest into high paying dividend stocks like DFN, you will be ahead even more.

tmkf_patryk wrote: ↑ Buy two vehicles in the 10k range
Drive one, once it needs work, switch to the other one while the first 1 is getting work done.
That spends 20k of your 70k.

You won’t spend 50k in the next 30 years on two vehicles, but I’m willing to bet that after 30 years, they 70k vehicle won’t be on the road or if it is, it’s still more expensive than the two 10k plus all the repairs put together.

If you want to do even better, put the 50k (left over the 2 vehicles) , maybe take a few grand and out into a bank account to keep liquid for repairs, put rest into high paying dividend stocks like DFN, you will be ahead even more.

That's what I did. 5 years ago bought, bought a pair of 9 year model averaging near 11k each. Prior to that we havd a pair of 20 yr old Toyotas that were also got used. The money saved relative to others who bought new and more frequent during that time went to investments and now could buy many multiples of a new car of it.

I guess without new buyers, people like me wouldn't be able to buy used. Fortunately my wife and I have no inclination at all to go through the new car buying process nor feel this 'sad' urge if we never do.

Modern car repairs are minimal if you buy smart (even seeing how a seller that responds in detailed cohesive form, in a decent neighbourhood is a big indicator it was taken care of. Esp if they have maintenance records).