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407 with Alberta Plates

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407 with Alberta Plates

I realize this is a bit of ULPT request and has been discussed before. Didn't want to post to an 2011 thread, so hear me out.

In Ontario, for roughly 6 months for a work assignment. Drive from Mississauga to Woodbridge for work. Obviously, taking 407 ETR is the most convenient way. I read all the threads online about people saying that 407 comes after people from all provinces and never forgets bla bla bla... I used it couple of times few months ago but never received the bill at my home address in Alberta. So the question is:
1. Is 407 ETR not able to get the contact info of the people from Alberta bcoz Alberta MTO doesn't cooperate with them?
2. Or they have this information, but they don't send bill or enforce it bcoz they don't have jurisdiction in other provinces? But they have signs on Hwy saying "out of province cars will be billed"
3. I know I will need to pay the bill once I go to register my car/change my DL in Ontario. But as far as I know, so far 407 ETR or MTO Ontario only have my car plate number. So if I change my plate or bring another car to register in Ontario, they have no info on me.
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They will certainly send you a bill and pursue you if you don't pay.
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Call them up, here's why. About two years ago I jumped on the 407 to get away from blocked traffic on the QEW while going to visit family in Mississauga.
I was used to getting a Bill in the mail roughly a Month after using it.
Bill never came so I call them up. Answer, "we no longer send out paper bills".
I can't recall if I had to create an account with them to view the bill or they told me over the phone.
I don't know if it's different for out of Province Plates. Being an Ontarian they could've Denied Renewing my Sticker... Hopefully you got a Transponder.
Keep us posted.
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Dma0691 wrote: Call them up, here's why. About two years ago I jumped on the 407 to get away from blocked traffic on the QEW while going to visit family in Mississauga.
I was used to getting a Bill in the mail roughly a Month after using it.
Bill never came so I call them up. Answer, "we no longer send out paper bills".
I can't recall if I had to create an account with them to view the bill or they told me over the phone.
I don't know if it's different for out of Province Plates. Being an Ontarian they could've Denied Renewing my Sticker... Hopefully you got a Transponder.
Keep us posted.
When I had my QC plates last year. My parents got the 407 Bill in the mail back in Brossard. It was my first experiance with video tolls.
Didnt even know i was on a toll highway. Big scam.
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sebakaa wrote: When I had my QC plates last year. My parents got the 407 Bill in the mail back in Brossard. It was my first experiance with video tolls.
Didnt even know i was on a toll highway. Big scam.
I guess the gigantic signs were not that obvious.
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Kkhan15 wrote: I guess the gigantic signs were not that obvious.
Sorry let me rephrase that. No, i knew it was a toll highway. Just not video, my experience with tolls is the U.S interstate and Highway 30 in Montreal.
I.E not spending more than $2 and an actual tollbooth. So I stayed on it expecting a toll booth to show up eventually. So thats why Im calling it a scam because no where did it mention a video /billed per km.
A lot of people are ignorant about that stuff if they are not around it.
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sebakaa wrote: Sorry let me rephrase that. No, i knew it was a toll highway. Just not video, my experience with tolls is the U.S interstate and Highway 30 in Montreal.
I.E not spending more than $2 and an actual tollbooth. So I stayed on it expecting a toll booth to show up eventually. So thats why Im calling it a scam because no where did it mention a video /billed per km.
A lot of people are ignorant about that stuff if they are not around it.
Ah gotcha. Makes sense. And yes it is a scam because if an out of towner does not have a transponder and goes across, expect a trip to run $40. Meanwhile from Buffalo to just outside of NYC will run you $20.
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The cost / KM is definitely ridiculous.

I only use it as a last resort or occasional luxury... Can't imagine ever taking it with regularity unless it's paid by someone else.

For businesses I understand it's cost vs benefit of less transit time, wear & tear, etc.
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Kkhan15 wrote: I guess the gigantic signs were not that obvious.
They weren't 'en francais'.
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Well, all it takes is Ford and Kenney buddy up and open up the system and you are screwed.

So enjoy it while you can but YMMV.
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xjesterxx wrote: The cost / KM is definitely ridiculous.

I only use it as a last resort or occasional luxury... Can't imagine ever taking it with regularity unless it's paid by someone else.

For businesses I understand it's cost vs benefit of less transit time, wear & tear, etc.
Prices adjust based on demand. It tries to price it so ridership doesn't grow too much.
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https://www.407etr.com/en/tolls/tolls/o ... vince.html

Out-of-Province

Welcome to Ontario and Highway 407
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407 ETR is the world's first all-electronic, open access toll highway. 407 ETR begins (in the west) at the Queen Elizabeth Way in Burlington, Ontario, and runs through to Brock Road in Pickering, Ontario. This section of the highway is known as 407 ETR. Similar to 407 ETR, Highways 407 and 412 are all-electronic, open-access toll highways without booths or barriers. Highway 407 continues east of Brock Road to Harmony Road in Whitby, Ontario, and also connects to Highway 401 via Highway 412. Whether you drive on 407 ETR, Highway 407 (east of Brock Road), and/or Highway 412, you will only receive one bill from 407 ETR to ensure that you have a positive customer experience.

407 ETR, Highway 407 (east of Brock Road) and Highway 412 benefit all users with a barrier-free system so anyone visiting Ontario may also use the toll-roads, which is an alternative to other Ontario roads. There are no toll booths and no toll plazas to slow you down. Transponders are not required for light vehicles (see FAQ) to enter or exit the highways and accounts do not have to be set up prior to use.

Out-of-Province users, including those from the U.S.A., who choose to use 407 ETR, Highway 407 (east of Broad Road) and/or Highway 412 are responsible for all tolls, fees and interest under the Highway 407 Act and/or the Highway 407 East Act. At the end of each monthly billing cycle, the all-electronic system calculates all tolls, fees and interest and a bill is sent in Canadian dollars, due upon mailing. (see Tolls Explained)

The most convenient method of payment is via the 407 ETR website. You can pay by Visa, MasterCard or American Express. To pay online, please click here. To pay by telephone, call our automated attendant at 1-888-407-0407. If you frequently visit Ontario, you may wish to pre-authorize your account and get a transponder.
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The 407 would certainly like you to believe that they'll send you a bill no matter where your car is registered, hence the signs on the highway and the text on their web site. The reality is, like you suspect, they need to have an agreement with each jurisdiction to access registration data and get your name and address. For obvious reasons they don't announce which states and provinces they can send bills to, but based on your experience it doesn't sound like Alberta is on the list yet, and I've never seen a bill for driving on the 407 with a Nova Scotia plate either.
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kavatski wrote: The 407 would certainly like you to believe that they'll send you a bill no matter where your car is registered, hence the signs on the highway and the text on their web site. The reality is, like you suspect, they need to have an agreement with each jurisdiction to access registration data and get your name and address. For obvious reasons they don't announce which states and provinces they can send bills to, but based on your experience it doesn't sound like Alberta is on the list yet, and I've never seen a bill for driving on the 407 with a Nova Scotia plate either.
I bet 95% of ETR traffic are done by Ontario and Quebec and they are probably only good to go after these 2 province's plates.

I used it once with a rental to go from Miss to Richmond, ended up something stupid like $13 in toll and $13 in handling fee from rental agency.

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