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All Way Stop with Pedestrian

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All Way Stop with Pedestrian

Car A arrives at all way stop sign going south to north.
Car B arrives after Car A, going west to east.
Car A gets blocked from going because pedestrian is crossing.

Does Car B gets bumped in priority to get right of way?
Or
Does Car B needs to wait for Car A?

MTO only states who gets there first gets the right of way, and have to yield to pedestrian all the time.
Seems like a gray area, where courtesy defines the outcome.
But if an accident happens, who has the right of way?
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All vehicles came to a complete, stop...there is no reason to collide with one another.
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Car A should have the right of way, but if Car B is a dick it doesn't mean that Car A can smash into them.
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Why wait and hold traffic longer, considering Car A needs to wait until the pedestrian completes the crossing?
This is why I prefer a roundabout...you hesitate to merge in, tough!
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Well, is the pedestrian in the way of car B going West to East while car A waits for same said pedestrian to cross its path?
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Car A has right of way, but if car B can go without interfering with car A or the pedestrian, no sane person is going to care.
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chimaican wrote: Well, is the pedestrian in the way of car B going West to East while car A waits for same said pedestrian to cross its path?
Pedestrian is crossing West to East.
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yup...if i was car A...go right ahead car b....
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That's what I thought, of course if there was a granny crossing, I wouldn't expect car B to wait it out.
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Car A should run over the pedestrian in this situation.
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If I'm car A, I'm all for car B going while I'm blocked by the pedestrian as it improves traffic efficiency.
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vkizzle wrote: Why wait and hold traffic longer, considering Car A needs to wait until the pedestrian completes the crossing?
This is why I prefer a roundabout...you hesitate to merge in, tough!
Not everyone is in a huge hurry like you are. Who cares if traffic is held up by another couple of seconds if it means avoiding a collision? And based on your roundabout comment, are you one of these idiots that are going like 60km/h whipping through a roundabout?
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fusion2k2k wrote: Not everyone is in a huge hurry like you are. Who cares if traffic is held up by another couple of seconds if it means avoiding a collision? And based on your roundabout comment, are you one of these idiots that are going like 60km/h whipping through a roundabout?
Wow, judgmental much?
Do you think you and I are the only vehicles on the road?
Why should vehicle B wait and hold traffic behind them, because vehicle A is a snowflake and has to go first, despite waiting for a pedestrian to cross?
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vkizzle wrote: Wow, judgmental much?
Do you think you and I are the only vehicles on the road?
Why should vehicle B wait and hold traffic behind them, because vehicle A is a snowflake and has to go first, despite waiting for a pedestrian to cross?
Because trying to take the right of way from someone, especially when there is a pedestrian nearby, is dangerous. I don't care if there is hundreds of vehicles on the road, if you get into an accident then you are a huge hassle to everyone. Saving 10 seconds by dangerously pulling in front of someone does nothing for anyone besides you.
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fusion2k2k wrote: Because trying to take the right of way from someone, especially when there is a pedestrian nearby, is dangerous. I don't care if there is hundreds of vehicles on the road, if you get into an accident then you are a huge hassle to everyone. Saving 10 seconds by dangerously pulling in front of someone does nothing for anyone besides you.
What accident???
Pedestrian is crossing in parallel and Car A is stopped and has to wait!
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vkizzle wrote: What accident???
Pedestrian is crossing in parallel and Car A is stopped and has to wait!
That's where it's a bit of a gray area, because Car B has to judge from his POV how long the pedestrian will block Car A.
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This is common sense. If the other car is prevented from having the right of way by a crossing pedestrian who has no effect on me, I’m going. If said pedestrian has already crossed the other car’s bumper, I have no idea whether that driver will follow the new law of waiting for the pedestrian to completely make it across, I’m going to wait and not play chicken. I may even wave my hand if there is eye contact so they know they can go first.
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fusion2k2k wrote: Car A should have the right of way, but if Car B is a dick it doesn't mean that Car A can smash into them.
Car B is not being a dick by going when it's clear to go. Car A is blocked by crossing pedestrian. If Car B sits and waits, what good does that do anyone? What if there's a whole string of pedestrians coming, like a school on a field trip? Car B is supposed to wait there the whole time, blocking people behind him, because Car A got there first a long time before?
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AncasterRFD wrote: This is common sense. If the other car is prevented from having the right of way by a crossing pedestrian who has no effect on me, I’m going. If said pedestrian has already crossed the other car’s bumper, I have no idea whether that driver will follow the new law of waiting for the pedestrian to completely make it across, I’m going to wait and not play chicken. I may even wave my hand if there is eye contact so they know they can go first.
I believe the complete crossing thing is only for the blinking crosswalk with the yellow X over top. Not the everyday stop signs intersections.

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