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Alternatives to credit score for mortgage approval?

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Alternatives to credit score for mortgage approval?

Hi all.

USELESS PREAMBLE:
First of all, let me say that I've received absolutely appalling support from my bank. My wife immigrated to Canada in late 2020 and immediately after she got her social insurance number, I ensured that she got a credit card to build her credit. I explicitly told the bank clerk, and *insisted* that we needed her to have a credit card that would build her credit. I was told that she could be added to my Odyssee Infinite Privilege account, not as an additional card but as a co-owner, and that it would definitely build her credit.

After over a year of her not getting a credit score, I started contacting the bank and the 2 credit houses to try to resolve it, spending hours on the phone with people who seem to have no idea what they're talking about. During recent phone calls with the bank, they've continued to insist that the information I was given was correct, and the credit card should build her credit because her name is on the bill. However, people on this forum are telling me that it's wrong and the card is only associated with my credit score as the primary owner. And calling Equifax and Transunion is a horrible and pointless exercise. They have no idea what's going on and they always have some excuse for why they can't help. Bank tells me to call Equifax and Transunion, Equifax and Transunion tell me to call the bank.


TLDR:
Long story short, my wife has no credit score for reasons largely out of our control, I have no faith that the issue will be resolved anytime soon and now we're looking to buy a house. We both make steady decent salaries as professionals. Is there a way to get a mortgage together if my wife has no credit card and no equivalent credit history from her native country? Are we SOL?
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My only advice is work with a broker, never a bank directly.
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Jokerpersona wrote: My only advice is work with a broker, never a bank directly.
Can you elaborate? I don't know anything about how to do this.
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djzapz wrote: Hi all.

USELESS PREAMBLE:
First of all, let me say that I've received absolutely appalling support from my bank. My wife immigrated to Canada in late 2020 and immediately after she got her social insurance number, I ensured that she got a credit card to build her credit. I explicitly told the bank clerk, and *insisted* that we needed her to have a credit card that would build her credit. I was told that she could be added to my Odyssee Infinite Privilege account, not as an additional card but as a co-owner, and that it would definitely build her credit.

After over a year of her not getting a credit score, I started contacting the bank and the 2 credit houses to try to resolve it, spending hours on the phone with people who seem to have no idea what they're talking about. During recent phone calls with the bank, they've continued to insist that the information I was given was correct, and the credit card should build her credit because her name is on the bill. However, people on this forum are telling me that it's wrong and the card is only associated with my credit score as the primary owner. And calling Equifax and Transunion is a horrible and pointless exercise. They have no idea what's going on and they always have some excuse for why they can't help. Bank tells me to call Equifax and Transunion, Equifax and Transunion tell me to call the bank.


TLDR:
Long story short, my wife has no credit score for reasons largely out of our control, I have no faith that the issue will be resolved anytime soon and now we're looking to buy a house. We both make steady decent salaries as professionals. Is there a way to get a mortgage together if my wife has no credit card and no equivalent credit history from her native country? Are we SOL?
why are you not using her for new immigrant program for loan. thats much easier to qualify.
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seatiger wrote: why are you not using her for new immigrant program for loan. thats much easier to qualify.
I'm not familiar with that program.

The thing is we don't need a loan, she makes good money. All we need is a mortgage. And while a loan I guess might help to build her credit score, we don't want to wait the 6+ months that that'll take.

Anyway after making a few calls namely to a broker, it seems like we may be able to qualify just fine despite the lack of a credit score because we have a decently large downpayment, solid incomes and basically no debt.
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djzapz wrote: I'm not familiar with that program.

The thing is we don't need a loan, she makes good money. All we need is a mortgage. And while a loan I guess might help to build her credit score, we don't want to wait the 6+ months that that'll take.

Anyway after making a few calls namely to a broker, it seems like we may be able to qualify just fine despite the lack of a credit score because we have a decently large downpayment, solid incomes and basically no debt.
You don’t have many choices. Credit score buildup doesn’t happen overnight. Brokers may be your choices. Everything is based on credit unless paid 100% cash.
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teoconca wrote: You don’t have many choices. Credit score buildup doesn’t happen overnight. Brokers may be your choices. Everything is based on credit unless paid 100% cash.
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Use her T4, but she might require 3 years worth. She has to be primary on credit account to get the score. Employment letter might help as well.
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lamin wrote: Use her T4, but she might require 3 years worth. She has to be primary on credit account to get the score. Employment letter might help as well.
She's definitely going to have an employment letter and a T4, we also have pay stubs showing she makes a decent amount of money as an IT project manager. A broker recommended that we also bring other proof of regular payments so we'll bring 12 months of credit card statements with her name showing payments always being made...

Sadly she hasn't been working in Canada for 3 years, so that won't work :(
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djzapz wrote: She's definitely going to have an employment letter and a T4, we also have pay stubs showing she makes a decent amount of money as an IT project manager. A broker recommended that we also bring other proof of regular payments so we'll bring 12 months of credit card statements with her name showing payments always being made...

Sadly she hasn't been working in Canada for 3 years, so that won't work :(
Sadly, yes.

That’s why we suggest brokers over banks. Brokers have more exposure to rates. They are more patient than banks. They are more understanding, but be prepare to provide documents, many times banks ask stupid(?) proofs.

Good lucks.
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djzapz wrote: I'm not familiar with that program.

The thing is we don't need a loan, she makes good money. All we need is a mortgage. And while a loan I guess might help to build her credit score, we don't want to wait the 6+ months that that'll take.

Anyway after making a few calls namely to a broker, it seems like we may be able to qualify just fine despite the lack of a credit score because we have a decently large downpayment, solid incomes and basically no debt.
In this case loan = mortgage. All the banks have newcomers programs that don't require a credit check, but may simply require more downpayment or lower GSR ratios.
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Jokerpersona wrote: My only advice is work with a broker, never a bank directly.
I always feel secure working with bank directly just my 2 cents because we are sharing sensitive data
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mattdominic wrote: I always feel secure working with bank directly just my 2 cents because we are sharing sensitive data
Zero difference beyond your complete lack of options working with a bank directly and when we're talking about thousands of dollars, you want every option available to you.

Security of your data is the same either way working with a respectable broker or bank.

Reminds me of people that still say they go to branches because "they know me" or "loyalty" or "that's my branch!". Old school way of thinking that doesn't exist anymore.
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Jokerpersona wrote: Zero difference beyond your complete lack of options working with a bank directly and when we're talking about thousands of dollars, you want every option available to you.

Security of your data is the same either way working with a respectable broker or bank.

Reminds me of people that still say they go to branches because "they know me" or "loyalty" or "that's my branch!". Old school way of thinking that doesn't exist anymore.
Are you sure about that? Are you sure that the broker that is working out of his home office has the same level of security with your data as a bank rep working at a bank?

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