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[Amazon.ca] ($157) Crucial P1 1TB 3D NAND NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD

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[Amazon.ca] ($157) Crucial P1 1TB 3D NAND NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD

Price is $156.99 with "One Deal Outlet" with free shipping, supposedly in new condition.

I happened to notice this was #2 on the SSD ranking at userbenchmark.com (second to Samsung 970 EVO Plus, slightly above the Adata SX8200 Pro which is the one I got last year for the main computer).
But some people here are saying no that's all wrong it's actually a low end unit?

https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/

I saw some of the criticisms on the previous threads:
$131.99 Aug 2019: amazon-ca-crucial-p1-1tb-3d-nand-nvme-p ... 9-2305299/
$119.98 Dec 2019: amazon-ca-crucial-p1-1tb-3d-nand-nvme-p ... 8-2342692/

Are they really that bad? What's the better deal we should be buying today?
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mlerfd wrote: Qlc
What are the downsides to QLC?

Does this have QLC? WD Black SN750 500GB PCIe Gen3 x4 NVMe M.2 2280 Read:3470MB/s,Write: 2600MB/s SSD with heatsink (WDS500G3XHC) ?
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djemzine wrote: What are the downsides to QLC?

Does this have QLC? WD Black SN750 500GB PCIe Gen3 x4 NVMe M.2 2280 Read:3470MB/s,Write: 2600MB/s SSD with heatsink (WDS500G3XHC) ?
One disadvantage is that the more data that is stored per cell, the more likely there is to be an error that leads to data loss. The lifespan of this type of storage device is also much lower than that of other forms of flash. For industrial applications, QLC flash is generally not an ideal pick for these reasons. However, for devices in which capacity is the biggest issue—especially read-heavy applications—QLC flash can be a good choice.
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Grunchy wrote: Price is $156.99 with "One Deal Outlet" with free shipping, supposedly in new condition.

I happened to notice this was #2 on the SSD ranking at userbenchmark.com (second to Samsung 970 EVO Plus, slightly above the Adata SX8200 Pro which is the one I got last year for the main computer).
But some people here are saying no that's all wrong it's actually a low end unit?

https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/

I saw some of the criticisms on the previous threads:
$131.99 Aug 2019: amazon-ca-crucial-p1-1tb-3d-nand-nvme-p ... 9-2305299/
$119.98 Dec 2019: amazon-ca-crucial-p1-1tb-3d-nand-nvme-p ... 8-2342692/

Are they really that bad? What's the better deal we should be buying today?
Their rating system has absolutely nothing to do with performance. Look at the bench % and the write numbers to get a better idea of performance.

Even the Amazon page itself lists abysmally slow read/write speeds when compared to current tech (3.5K is performance grade, bleeding edge is 4K +, this drive is 2K).
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djemzine wrote: What are the downsides to QLC?

Does this have QLC? WD Black SN750 500GB PCIe Gen3 x4 NVMe M.2 2280 Read:3470MB/s,Write: 2600MB/s SSD with heatsink (WDS500G3XHC) ?
This WD SSD has SanDisk 64-layer 3D TLC NAND flash memory.

Regardin QLC, it is a lot slower for sustained writes.

"most SSDs (using the newer NVMe protocol) hover around 1500 MB/s for sustained read and write (i.e., loading or copying large files). But QLC flash only manages between 80-160 MB/s for sustained writes, which is worse than a decent hard drive."

from https://www.howtogeek.com/428869/ssds-a ... qlc-flash/
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For QLC SSD, 1TB should be priced below $120
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They're not bad for linear read speeds, but under load, the P1 just can't hold up.

Meanwhile, the SN750 is one of the highest performing SSDs in the market right now.
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soonleaf wrote: For QLC SSD, 1TB should be priced below $120
My opinion is that QLC is garbanzo beans, should be less than $99, lol. But the QLC-champions will soon come by and tell how this cheap garbagy NAND is "fine for storage" and all other kinds of baloney to justify manufacturers basically selling cheap crap for high prices in order to increase margins.
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dboyman5 wrote: One disadvantage is that the more data that is stored per cell, the more likely there is to be an error that leads to data loss. The lifespan of this type of storage device is also much lower than that of other forms of flash. For industrial applications, QLC flash is generally not an ideal pick for these reasons. However, for devices in which capacity is the biggest issue—especially read-heavy applications—QLC flash can be a good choice.
Soichiro wrote: This WD SSD has SanDisk 64-layer 3D TLC NAND flash memory.

Regardin QLC, it is a lot slower for sustained writes.

"most SSDs (using the newer NVMe protocol) hover around 1500 MB/s for sustained read and write (i.e., loading or copying large files). But QLC flash only manages between 80-160 MB/s for sustained writes, which is worse than a decent hard drive."

from https://www.howtogeek.com/428869/ssds-a ... qlc-flash/
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ES_Revenge wrote: My opinion is that QLC is garbanzo beans, should be less than $99, lol. But the QLC-champions will soon come by and tell how this cheap garbagy NAND is "fine for storage" and all other kinds of baloney to justify manufacturers basically selling cheap crap for high prices in order to increase margins.
There's a bit of unknown with QLC's with the wear rate. That's why I won't touch it. Not to mention when you run out of SLC cache your SSD performance plummets. This is a good video on QLC drives.
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ES_Revenge wrote: My opinion is that QLC is garbanzo beans, should be less than $99, lol. But the QLC-champions will soon come by and tell how this cheap garbagy NAND is "fine for storage" and all other kinds of baloney to justify manufacturers basically selling cheap crap for high prices in order to increase margins.
Here I am. Knight of QLC.


All jokes aside if someone don't know what QLC is, QLC is good enough for you. All negative points of QLC are true. Sustained writes, lower endurance etc, etc, but none of that matters for your gaming PC. None of that matters for your email, web browsing, movie watching, and porn fapping. A big QLC SSD for storing your whatever files and being a boot drive is fine. ALL THAT BEING SAID I think this SSD is over priced i should be closer to $140 before I'd give a thumbs up for this deal.
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I bought 2 of these P1 drives on one of those previous $135 deals. One ended up being faulty.....had to send for RMA after hours and hours of troubleshooting on a new build. Once I got the new one, it's been working pretty well.
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chconline wrote: They're not bad for linear read speeds, but under load, the P1 just can't hold up.

Meanwhile, the SN750 is one of the highest performing SSDs in the market right now.
Not to mention very good value. the 500 GB version were selling for 94.99 back in late March. Honestly the best value per performance price on the market since late last year.
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It's an ok drive but this is a lousy price. If one is looking for an entry level NVMe drive, the correct answer ATM is almost always the WD Blue SN550.
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Bought mine for $110ish on prime day, use it as a steam drive. Pretty sufficient for now until the steam library grows.

That being said, I will not fork out more than $120 for a decent 1TB ssd. Seems like parts are expensive for now due to the pandemic. I still use a 860 evo as my boot drive and not the P1
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ChippewaBarr wrote: Love Linus' videos but I will never not be irrationally mad at the thumbnails lol
Yeah I hate those clickbait video covers that most youtube content creators use.

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