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rogerchoi wrote:
Oct 31st, 2018 9:38 am
Who's gonna get a 120GB SSD these days? I'd want at least 240GB in my laptop.
Me. I needed a new boot drive. Only Windows 10 will be on it, so I don't need a larger SSD.
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Naruto wrote:
Oct 31st, 2018 7:48 am
It's not just Micron. SSD prices are in a free fall and we don't even know what rock bottom is yet.

Just a few days ago there was Samsung 860 EVO 1TB available for $122 in Amazon Warehouse Deals US. It's currently sitting at $130. Most of the "used" drives probably have minimal hours powered on, 100% health and < 1TB lifetime writes total.

The market's gonna be a free for all zoo in 3 weeks' time.
The reason why NAND prices (and SSD prices) have been dropping and will continue to drop into late 2019 is the industrywide conversion from linear NANDs to multi-layer 3D NANDs which pack more memory into a smaller space AND is cheaper to actually make. In the past year, about 75% of the industry has converted over to 64-layer stuff with another 25% left to go. And by the time that last 25% is done, the first group would have moved on to the second generation stuff (ie more than 64-layers) causing further price drops. According to industry analysis, wholesale NAND pricing dropped 24% this year with another 23% expected next year.

So, to all those who are pushing patent issues with Chinese companies, that's only part of the story and a small part... the real story is the massive shift in technology.
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craftsman wrote:
Oct 31st, 2018 6:33 pm
The reason why NAND prices (and SSD prices) have been dropping and will continue to drop into late 2019 is the industrywide conversion from linear NANDs to multi-layer 3D NANDs which pack more memory into a smaller space AND is cheaper to actually make. In the past year, about 75% of the industry has converted over to 64-layer stuff with another 25% left to go. And by the time that last 25% is done, the first group would have moved on to the second generation stuff (ie more than 64-layers) causing further price drops. According to industry analysis, wholesale NAND pricing dropped 24% this year with another 23% expected next year.

So, to all those who are pushing patent issues with Chinese companies, that's only part of the story and a small part... the real story is the massive shift in technology.
That is 100% correct. Micron Technology is a major issue in the trade war particularly because they directly support DoD and NSA activities. So much so that the U.S. Government stepped in this week:

"US strikes at the heart of China's tech ambitions with chipmaker ban"
Updated 12:06 AM ET, Wed October 31, 2018
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/30/tech/tra ... index.html


DRAM prices have stabilized but NAND will continue to fall since all 5 manufacturers have switched to 64L NAND. In about 6 months 96L NAND hits shelves.

Every layer increase = approx. 30% cost reduction. So while MSRP's are going down, the gross margins will remain largely intact (at least for Micron Technology... not so much for Western Digital)

Also QLC drives are on the market now which reduces the cost by another 30%.

Side note, Samsung's earnings call last night said DRAM prices will start rising 2H 2019 so if you need ram it will be a good time to buy.

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If you're looking for an investment, consider Micron Technology @ $38. They're currently buying back 20% of their outstanding shares over the next 3 quarters, then switching to a dividend once the stock price has appreciated significantly.

The current P/E ratio is only 3.5 and the most absurdly undervalued stock right now on the S&P 500.
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Keep your eyes and ears open for In-Memory Computing in their Gen.2 3D XPoint next year.

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lincoln wrote:
Oct 31st, 2018 6:57 pm
If you're looking for an investment, consider Micron Technology @ $38. They're currently buying back 20% of their outstanding shares over the next 3 quarters, then switching to a dividend once the stock price has appreciated significantly.

The current P/E ratio is only 3.5 and the most absurdly undervalued stock right now on the S&P 500.
Great example of a broke stock of a working company. The only issue is that you need to be prepared to hold it until the market stops thinking that the other shoe (ie. DRAM pricing) will drop. Once that happens, MU should get a bounce.
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UV3030303 wrote:
Oct 31st, 2018 11:15 pm
anyone know the difference between this and Crucial MX500 ?

Price: CDN$ 98.99
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0784S ... EEQB&psc=1

$20 Face With Tears Of Joy

But seriously, MX500 > BX500, $20 well spent. MX500 = 5 years warranty versus 3 for BX500.

BX500 is DRAMless

Go to crucial.com and compare features.
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"Available first on Google Cloud: Intel Optane DC Persistent Memory
Today, we’re excited to announce the alpha availability of virtual machines with 7TB of total memory utilizing Intel Optane DC (3D XPoint) persistent memory"
October 30, 2018

https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/pa ... ent-memory

This is way... way... ahead of schedule. Not sure exactly what is going on... but me thinks the deployment schedule has been drastically pulled forward ;)
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Temporel wrote:
Oct 31st, 2018 11:21 pm
$20 Face With Tears Of Joy

But seriously, MX500 > BX500, $20 well spent. MX500 = 5 years warranty versus 3 for BX500.

BX500 is DRAMless

Go to crucial.com and compare features.
That's why I'm holding out for MX500 to hit $80 level for BF/BD.
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rogerchoi wrote:
Nov 1st, 2018 10:32 am
That's why I'm holding out for MX500 to hit $80 level for BF/BD.

That would be nice but unlikely because the MX500 being the flagship series, it's already priced too low @$99 for the 500 GB.
That squeezes out of the market the just launched entry-level BX500 480 GB that is $103 at regular price.
$80 will probably become its new regular price.
I think it is more likely that we will see the BX500 480 GB @ $70 for Black Friday.
I bet Crucial is making a very low rate of return on its investment for its new BX500 series.
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Temporel wrote:
Nov 1st, 2018 11:04 am
That would be nice but unlikely because the MX500 being the flagship series, it's already priced too low @$99 for the 500 GB.
That squeezes out of the market the just launched entry-level BX500 480 GB that is $103 at regular price.
$80 will probably become its new regular price.
I think it is more likely that we will see the BX500 480 GB @ $70 for Black Friday.
I bet Crucial is making a very low rate of return on its investment for its new BX500 series.
I am not in a rush as my laptop with 6th gen i5 is still going strong. I can wait as long as prices keep falling. :)
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well, I bought a crucial M4 for 120+ tax few years ago,

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