Delta Faucet R22000 Multichoice Universal with Integrated Diverter Rough $42.8

Great find for anyone doing bathroom renos and want to put together a Delta shower system. I recently paid a lot more for this piece for my bathroom reno.

Note that you will need several more pieces to build a shower system and every little part adds up. Unless you want Delta's champagne bronze colour (which I got), I think it's worth looking at other brands when looking for shower systems. A lot of companies sell every piece in one set for you at comparable, and often competitive, prices.

Thanks, I think going to grab one to keep it for later.
Mine is getting old and soon to be replaced.
I probably need to open wall behind shower to cut the pex and recrimp.
That will be a fun project.

This is perfect for me! I recently installed two shower towers in my main bathroom, running my PEX on the outside of the wall at present for temporary installation until I do a full bathroom reno this summer, as one issue I have is that I didn't install any way of balancing water when anything upstream on my showers uses water, including the first shower affecting the second if the wife and I are both showering at the same time.

I'm going to pair this with: Delta Faucet T27967 Ara Angular Modern Monitor 17 Series Valve Trim with 6-Setting Integrated Diverter, Chrome
https://a.co/d/bN0XJlA

Open box - very good is currently $105CAD while MSRP seems to be $415USD

If you're in the market for a shower tower or two, I'd recommend the following style:

https://a.co/d/9nF3sFI

I tried a couple styles and this style with the individual knobs for each function is far superior to the diverter style where you can only pick one function at full strength with water pressure determined by the floppy handle type thing. I got two open box ones for around $100 and I've been recommending them to all my friends and family when I ask.

Installing anything other than a thermostatic shower is a waste of your money. It's nice that this one has a separate diverter, for sure. But it's still not something I would ever install my myself or for my family

AncientWords wrote: ↑ as one issue I have is that I didn't install any way of balancing water when anything upstream on my showers uses water, including the first shower affecting the second if the wife and I are both showering at the same time.

Ok.... So this is exactly why you shouldn't buy this valve. And get a proper thermostatic valve instead.

elfion wrote: ↑ Ok.... So this is exactly why you shouldn't buy this valve. And get a proper thermostatic valve instead.

Sorry, is the kit I mentioned I bought with this not a thermostatic kit? It seemed to me to be a thermostatic kit

AncientWords wrote: ↑ Sorry, is the kit I mentioned I bought with this not a thermostatic kit? It seemed to me to be a thermostatic kit

I don't see a mention of any kit. I thought you said you will get valve the op linked and pair it with some trim. R22000 is not thermostatic.

Also, everyone, please note that this is NOT a 3 way diverter. It's a 2 way diverter, despite there being 3 outputs. There are negative comments about this on Amazon. So this is good for a shower. But not good for a tub, if you want a rainfall head as a separate function

Delta valves come with the trim kit. So if you want thermostatic, just buy the right trim kit.
We used this R22000 for our bathroom renos and paid $201. At this price, probably worth buying again and just keeping in storage for future renos too...

elfion wrote: ↑ I don't see a mention of any kit. I thought you said you will you see valve the op linked. R22000 is not thermostatic.

Also, everyone, please note that this is NOT a 3 way diverter. It's a 2 way diverter, despite there being 3 outputs. There are negative comments about this on Amazon. So this is good for a shower. But not good for a tub, if you want a rainfall head as a separate function

You quoted me and cut off the link to the kit I ordered that's the 17 series Monitor type that thermostatically mixes the water within +-3.6°, though also available is the 17t series that has a bit tighter temperature control due to "true" thermostatic mixing

The kit also includes both a 3 setting (2 output) and 6 setting (3 output) cartridge, so the negative reviews are from people that purchased the wrong kit for their setup or installed the wrong cartridge

https://www.deltafaucet.ca/bathroom/product/T27867

AncientWords wrote: ↑ You quoted me and cut off the link to the kit I ordered that's the 17 series Monitor type that thermostatically mixes the water within +-3.6°, though also available is the 17t series that has a bit tighter temperature control due to "true" thermostatic mixing

The kit also includes both a 3 setting (2 output) and 6 setting (3 output) cartridge, so the negative reviews are from people that purchased the wrong kit for their setup or installed the wrong cartridge

https://www.deltafaucet.ca/bathroom/product/T27867

The link clearly says it's a pressure balancing valve. So not thermostatic. What am I missing?

elfion wrote: ↑ Installing anything other than a thermostatic shower is a waste of your money. It's nice that this one has a separate diverter, for sure. But it's still not something I would ever install my myself or for my family

This is only the rough in/out. It says universal (only to Delta) because then you buy the Delta trim kit that includes the valve. You buy a Monitor 14 , Monitor 17 or Monitor 17T series trim kit (the 17T is Thermostatic).

Make sure you check what Amazon sends you! I bought the R10000-PX rough in/out (2 months ago) and they sent me the wrong model! It had the sticker of the R10000-PX (pex crimp) but it was a R10000-MFWS (pex expansion)! I sent it back and the replacement was fine.

It is also a major waste of cardboard. Amazon sent it (even the replacement) in a huge box. I am not kidding, I could fit ~12 units without them touching to each other!

elfion wrote: ↑ The link clearly says it's a pressure balancing valve. So not thermostatic. What am I missing?

There is no valve with this. The valve it is sold separately with the Delta trim shower kit.

JEDI Force wrote: ↑ This is only the rough in/out. It says universal (only to Delta) because then you buy the Delta trim kit that includes the valve. You buy a Monitor 14 , Monitor 17 or Monitor 17T series trim kit (the 17T is Thermostatic).

Make sure you check what Amazon sends you! I bought the R10000-PX rough in/out (2 months ago) and they sent me the wrong model! It had the sticker of the R10000-PX (pex crimp) but it was a R10000-MFWS (pex expansion)! I sent it back and the replacement was fine.

It is also a major waste of cardboard. Amazon sent it (even the replacement) in a huge box. I am not kidding, I could fit ~12 units without them touching to each other!

Ohhhh so you can put in a thermostatic cartridge which you can get as a part of the trim kit? Ok, I think I understand now.

HD10180 wrote: ↑ Thanks, I think going to grab one to keep it for later.
Mine is getting old and soon to be replaced.
I probably need to open wall behind shower to cut the pex and recrimp.
That will be a fun project.

Not a plumbing expert... is this like a 10 year maintenance thing and not fix when not working?

Was just advised by plumber that my PRV should be replaced every 5 years or so as maintenance.

Not sure if up selling or what but internet seems to agree between 5 and 10 or so years depending on who is answering

elfion wrote: ↑ Ohhhh so you can put in a thermostatic cartridge which you can get as a part of the trim kit? Ok, I think I understand now.

The difference between the 17 series valve and 17t series is a range of +/- 3.6° vs. +/-3.0° at a minimum cost of $601 vs. the $105 I paid, so I'm going to refer to it as "thermostatic enough to be getting on with"

I did look at what 17t series trim kits were available open box but unfortunately the answer is "none"

muffin4life wrote: ↑ Not a plumbing expert... is this like a 10 year maintenance thing and not fix when not working?

Was just advised by plumber that my PRV should be replaced every 5 years or so as maintenance.

Not sure if up selling or what but internet seems to agree between 5 and 10 or so years depending on who is answering

I don't think you should ever have to replace the rough in unless you want a different system. You may want to replace the cartridges or the trim.

muffin4life wrote: ↑ Not a plumbing expert... is this like a 10 year maintenance thing and not fix when not working?

Was just advised by plumber that my PRV should be replaced every 5 years or so as maintenance.

Not sure if up selling or what but internet seems to agree between 5 and 10 or so years depending on who is answering

The PRV is the Pressure Reducing Valve, nothing to do with a shower/bathtub valve

Also called water pressure regulators, water pressure reducing valves are compact, inexpensive valves that perform two functions: They automatically reduce the high incoming water pressure from the city mains to provide a lower, more functional pressure for distribution in the home.
Now if you live in a house it will last more than if you live in a condo where booster pumps are installed, so your plumber could be right

elfion wrote: ↑ Ok.... So this is exactly why you shouldn't buy this valve. And get a proper thermostatic valve instead.

Even with a thermostatic valve you can have the problem if the house it's not properly piped, you should calculate the gpm that you want to use on the same time. With a main distribution in 3/4 copper pipe you should be ok in a house with 2-3 bathrooms, with Pex or Pro Pex go at least one size up.

AncientWords wrote: ↑ The difference between the 17 series valve and 17t series is a range of +/- 3.6° vs. +/-3.0° at a minimum cost of $601 vs. the $105 I paid, so I'm going to refer to it as "thermostatic enough to be getting on with"

I did look at what 17t series trim kits were available open box but unfortunately the answer is "none"

it's either thermostatic or it's not those degrees are F, not C, so actually the difference is almost nothing if you look at these specs. but I suspect that the real difference in response time may be much more substantial. but it's hard to know without actually testing them side by side. but I suppose if you have a separate temperature adjustment knob it's manageable, much better the barbaric showers that 99% of people have with the stupid pin on the tub spout...

I personally installed a hansgrohe which was around 1000 for the full kit with 2 functions (handheld + rainfall) and around $1250 for kit with a couple of generic substitutions (i.e. got the generic rainfall shower ceiling arm and head) with 3 functions including a separate diverter. this is including everything, not just the trim. now that it's been a few years, I can say that it was well worth the money. in fact, if anything, I regret not spending extra on the OEM rainfall shower head for the second kit.

another option is to get something like this https://www.costco.ca/agua-canada-vanik ... 60096.html with this product you get a super nice trim and valve and everything else for just $600. the black is not for everyone. I have it in a house I made for sale and it looks and works well. but more importantly , I have no idea how hard it will be to get parts from this Agua Canada