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icyyicee wrote: Well, i'm not saying Ecobee is perfect either, but at the very least, I didn't have to reset the internet connection once every 3 months or so.

The internet / account reset issue is not a singled out issue, because of my line of work, I've been recommending smart thermostat to my clients all these time. Most Enbridge customers will get the Nest device and most of the time my clients will have issue with the internet / account setting ;)
not undermining the feedback, but wanted to chime in that i have Nest for more than an year....not a single issue with wifi. I have other connected devices like cheap costco wifi plugs which at times have reset and Nooie bulbs that loose connection almost every month but NEST so far so good (fingerscrossed :) )
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Ferinthu1 wrote: Care to explain why?
gen 3 is metal all around the thermostat, and looks classier, and there was a choice of close to 8 colors to choose from. This one looks like slightly better than a nest E from 3rd gen. The ease of use of the interface is across the board reviews better for Gen 3 with the dial. Then there is less compatibility with HVAC systems for Gen 4 because instead of around 10 wires you can plug into it for Gen 3, now it is far fewer. Gen 3 was the only thermostat (other than proprietary brands) that allowed 3 fan speed wires plugged into it. This one like the ecobee only allows 1 fan wire. Honestly because of touch screen, I would buy the Ecobee at this point.

The self learning thing for Gen 3 never worked well, so that shouldnt be a factor in comparing the two.

The people who bought Gen 3 had the enbridge and $75 energy rebates, or 1 of the 2, bringing down the price to around $90-$140 area after tax, roughly around the price of Gen 4.
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Jan 16, 2017
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Gen4 need to get power from the C wire. The batteries are rechargeable and they use the C wire to recharge. If you don’t have a C wire, it will still draw power from the other wires but only when heating/cooling is off.
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gen 3 needs power from C wire as well, or it'll turn the hvac system on and off to draw power, and eventually kill your system. Having a c wire prevents that.
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evilYoda wrote: gen 3 is metal all around the thermostat, and looks classier, and there was a choice of close to 8 colors to choose from. This one looks like slightly better than a nest E from 3rd gen. The ease of use of the interface is across the board reviews better for Gen 3 with the dial. Then there is less compatibility with HVAC systems for Gen 4 because instead of around 10 wires you can plug into it for Gen 3, now it is far fewer. Gen 3 was the only thermostat (other than proprietary brands) that allowed 3 fan speed wires plugged into it. This one like the ecobee only allows 1 fan wire. Honestly because of touch screen, I would buy the Ecobee at this point.

The self learning thing for Gen 3 never worked well, so that shouldnt be a factor in comparing the two.

The people who bought Gen 3 had the enbridge and $75 energy rebates, or 1 of the 2, bringing down the price to around $90-$140 area after tax, roughly around the price of Gen 4.

Thank you... this was useful in understanding the choices. I agree any "learning/smart" system that's currently implemented doesn't really do a good job.
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I wish homedepot in ON was open... I could price match and apply my $75 rebate.
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evilYoda wrote: Way inferior to 3rd gen. But it is less expensive.
can you explain why?

edit: nvm i see you answered already @evilYoda
My phone plan is $400 a month for 500 MB of data.
My internet plan is $199.99 for capped internet and slow speeds.
My credit cards are the ones with annual fees but terrible rewards.
Did I RFD correctly?
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evilYoda wrote: gen 3 needs power from C wire as well, or it'll turn the hvac system on and off to draw power, and eventually kill your system. Having a c wire prevents that.
Gen 3 can work without c wire. This newest gen doesn’t work without c wire. I only got 2 wires and I checked online, through multiple sources.
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really hope google release an updated 3rd gen
my HVAC isn't compatible with the cheaper ones
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I am moving, and need to leave the old 3rd gen at the old house. So I need to buy another. Was hoping an overall better version would have been out by now instead of buying something I already had.
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icyyicee wrote: Well, i'm not saying Ecobee is perfect either, but at the very least, I didn't have to reset the internet connection once every 3 months or so.

The internet / account reset issue is not a singled out issue, because of my line of work, I've been recommending smart thermostat to my clients all these time. Most Enbridge customers will get the Nest device and most of the time my clients will have issue with the internet / account setting ;)
I just wanted to comment that I have a nest thermostat 2nd since it came out, like 2012 and I never had any issues going offline (maybe once while updating ) or having to reset internet or basically doing anything, I can turn on off the furnace fan without issues, later I added some nest protects and also very reliable, since then it is working so fine that I forget about it, I was thinking about upgrading but other than looks, it seems that at least for me there is no new functionality, so not worth it, I was considering the ecobee as it seems it can control my air exchanger, but again not worth the hassle, I am guessing that if you have to reset your internet so often, maybe you have a defective device be your modem or the thermostat or something chugging your ip addresses, or some configuration problem, but that is just a wild guess.
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Mephod wrote: Yay, now even your thermostat Can be a corporate spying device!
The upcoming devices that matter don't need to connect to their own cloud. They jus talk to the hub. Whether your hub collects data and calls home is another matter! :) Choose your hub wisely.
The first rule of Fight Club is: you do not talk about Usenet
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I have R, RC, WW1, YY1 and G wires but no C wire. Does anyone know of thermostat that would work with this ?.
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Just get Honeywell Wifi Thermostat, $89 from Lowes. It works with Alexa.
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how would you be able to tell if this would work in your condo?
Would i have to take out my exsiting one and check the wires?
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you need to yank off the cover of your thermostat in your condo. And hope the plastic isnt so fragile that it can be put back together. Then look at the wiring and the groves that tells you what the wire is, then duplicate it on your nest 4. Their website actually will tell you based on the wire labels whether it is compatible or not.

Take loads of photos and label each wire prior to removing the wires from the present thermostat. You get 1 shot at this, and some wires may have the same color depending on the age of the condo.

If your condo thermostat has 3 wires for 3 different fan speeds then Nest 4 wont work as only 1 fan wire can be inserted. Nest 3 will work as all 3 can be inserted.
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Dec 30, 2020
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question: will this work on a 2 wire thermostat?

im in BC and I have about 5 old mercury thermostat connecting to water heating.

thanks in advamce

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