not undermining the feedback, but wanted to chime in that i have Nest for more than an year....not a single issue with wifi. I have other connected devices like cheap costco wifi plugs which at times have reset and Nooie bulbs that loose connection almost every month but NEST so far so good (fingerscrossed )icyyicee wrote: ↑ Well, i'm not saying Ecobee is perfect either, but at the very least, I didn't have to reset the internet connection once every 3 months or so.
The internet / account reset issue is not a singled out issue, because of my line of work, I've been recommending smart thermostat to my clients all these time. Most Enbridge customers will get the Nest device and most of the time my clients will have issue with the internet / account setting
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- anti_maniac
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- Jun 20, 2010
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- evilYoda
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- Nov 15, 2020
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gen 3 is metal all around the thermostat, and looks classier, and there was a choice of close to 8 colors to choose from. This one looks like slightly better than a nest E from 3rd gen. The ease of use of the interface is across the board reviews better for Gen 3 with the dial. Then there is less compatibility with HVAC systems for Gen 4 because instead of around 10 wires you can plug into it for Gen 3, now it is far fewer. Gen 3 was the only thermostat (other than proprietary brands) that allowed 3 fan speed wires plugged into it. This one like the ecobee only allows 1 fan wire. Honestly because of touch screen, I would buy the Ecobee at this point.
The self learning thing for Gen 3 never worked well, so that shouldnt be a factor in comparing the two.
The people who bought Gen 3 had the enbridge and $75 energy rebates, or 1 of the 2, bringing down the price to around $90-$140 area after tax, roughly around the price of Gen 4.
- andrew39909
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- Jan 16, 2017
- 24 posts
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Gen4 need to get power from the C wire. The batteries are rechargeable and they use the C wire to recharge. If you don’t have a C wire, it will still draw power from the other wires but only when heating/cooling is off.
- Allan62
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- Sep 26, 2016
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- Vaughan
Price raised by ONE dollar now.
- evilYoda
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- Nov 15, 2020
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gen 3 needs power from C wire as well, or it'll turn the hvac system on and off to draw power, and eventually kill your system. Having a c wire prevents that.
- Ferinthu1
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- Nov 5, 2018
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evilYoda wrote: ↑ gen 3 is metal all around the thermostat, and looks classier, and there was a choice of close to 8 colors to choose from. This one looks like slightly better than a nest E from 3rd gen. The ease of use of the interface is across the board reviews better for Gen 3 with the dial. Then there is less compatibility with HVAC systems for Gen 4 because instead of around 10 wires you can plug into it for Gen 3, now it is far fewer. Gen 3 was the only thermostat (other than proprietary brands) that allowed 3 fan speed wires plugged into it. This one like the ecobee only allows 1 fan wire. Honestly because of touch screen, I would buy the Ecobee at this point.
The self learning thing for Gen 3 never worked well, so that shouldnt be a factor in comparing the two.
The people who bought Gen 3 had the enbridge and $75 energy rebates, or 1 of the 2, bringing down the price to around $90-$140 area after tax, roughly around the price of Gen 4.
Thank you... this was useful in understanding the choices. I agree any "learning/smart" system that's currently implemented doesn't really do a good job.
- KiraSensei
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I wish homedepot in ON was open... I could price match and apply my $75 rebate.
- scottmg
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- Liondog
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- Apr 1, 2020
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- Vancouver, BC
Gen 3 can work without c wire. This newest gen doesn’t work without c wire. I only got 2 wires and I checked online, through multiple sources.
- kgkuan
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- Dec 23, 2012
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- Richmond Hill
Google has this Nest Power Connector for people without C wire, not available in Canada yet.
https://store.google.com/us/product/nes ... r?hl=en-US
https://store.google.com/us/product/nes ... r?hl=en-US
- Kenjuta
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- Aug 9, 2007
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really hope google release an updated 3rd gen
my HVAC isn't compatible with the cheaper ones
my HVAC isn't compatible with the cheaper ones
- Skilas
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- Jun 5, 2010
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I am moving, and need to leave the old 3rd gen at the old house. So I need to buy another. Was hoping an overall better version would have been out by now instead of buying something I already had.
- DonCapo
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- Nov 10, 2016
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- Montreal, Qc.
I just wanted to comment that I have a nest thermostat 2nd since it came out, like 2012 and I never had any issues going offline (maybe once while updating ) or having to reset internet or basically doing anything, I can turn on off the furnace fan without issues, later I added some nest protects and also very reliable, since then it is working so fine that I forget about it, I was thinking about upgrading but other than looks, it seems that at least for me there is no new functionality, so not worth it, I was considering the ecobee as it seems it can control my air exchanger, but again not worth the hassle, I am guessing that if you have to reset your internet so often, maybe you have a defective device be your modem or the thermostat or something chugging your ip addresses, or some configuration problem, but that is just a wild guess.icyyicee wrote: ↑ Well, i'm not saying Ecobee is perfect either, but at the very least, I didn't have to reset the internet connection once every 3 months or so.
The internet / account reset issue is not a singled out issue, because of my line of work, I've been recommending smart thermostat to my clients all these time. Most Enbridge customers will get the Nest device and most of the time my clients will have issue with the internet / account setting
- bogolisk
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- Jan 18, 2009
- 3361 posts
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The upcoming devices that matter don't need to connect to their own cloud. They jus talk to the hub. Whether your hub collects data and calls home is another matter! Choose your hub wisely.
The first rule of Fight Club is: you do not talk about Usenet
- shadow_cruiser
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- Jul 19, 2005
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- Ottawa
I have R, RC, WW1, YY1 and G wires but no C wire. Does anyone know of thermostat that would work with this ?.
- Lush78
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- Sep 13, 2015
- 5769 posts
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Google is coming out with a solution for those without a C wire.shadow_cruiser wrote: ↑I have R, RC, WW1, YY1 and G wires but no C wire. Does anyone know of thermostat that would work with this ?.
https://9to5google.com/2021/05/19/nest- ... hermostat/
https://store.google.com/us/product/nes ... r?hl=en-US
- Menace
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- Jun 8, 2003
- 8717 posts
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- Scarborough
Just get Honeywell Wifi Thermostat, $89 from Lowes. It works with Alexa.
- o1Jeff
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- Dec 23, 2006
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how would you be able to tell if this would work in your condo?
Would i have to take out my exsiting one and check the wires?
Would i have to take out my exsiting one and check the wires?
- evilYoda
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- Nov 15, 2020
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you need to yank off the cover of your thermostat in your condo. And hope the plastic isnt so fragile that it can be put back together. Then look at the wiring and the groves that tells you what the wire is, then duplicate it on your nest 4. Their website actually will tell you based on the wire labels whether it is compatible or not.
Take loads of photos and label each wire prior to removing the wires from the present thermostat. You get 1 shot at this, and some wires may have the same color depending on the age of the condo.
If your condo thermostat has 3 wires for 3 different fan speeds then Nest 4 wont work as only 1 fan wire can be inserted. Nest 3 will work as all 3 can be inserted.
Take loads of photos and label each wire prior to removing the wires from the present thermostat. You get 1 shot at this, and some wires may have the same color depending on the age of the condo.
If your condo thermostat has 3 wires for 3 different fan speeds then Nest 4 wont work as only 1 fan wire can be inserted. Nest 3 will work as all 3 can be inserted.
- vanfc3s
- Newbie
- Dec 30, 2020
- 3 posts
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question: will this work on a 2 wire thermostat?
im in BC and I have about 5 old mercury thermostat connecting to water heating.
thanks in advamce
im in BC and I have about 5 old mercury thermostat connecting to water heating.
thanks in advamce