redflagdealsguy wrote: ↑ Unless you're an uber power user requiring more than 16GB RAM, this is a serious consideration for folks.

There is no competing Ryzen 4500U 2-in-1 in this price range with:
(1) 14" Form Factor
(2) 16GB RAM
(3) 2-in-1 Multitouch
(4) Upgradable SSD
(5) Upgradable WiFi (Recommend: Intel AX200NGW WiFi 6 Card)
(6) Active Pen Included
(7) Rapid Charging 80% in 1 Hour
(8) USB-C with Power Delivery

The one notable downside is USB-C is not DP 1.4 and cannot do video out. The HDMI port is supposedly 1.4 and cannot do 4K60 RGB 4:4:4 required for clear text on a ultra-sized 4K monitor. 4K60 is now possible on 1.4 using Chroma 4:2:0 which looks okay on smaller 4K monitors, but not on large ones.

If you don't care about the above, this is a great overall device for the price.

Note: HDMI 1.4 cannot do 4K60 RGB, but DP 1.4 can do 4K60 RGB, confusing I know.

98 replies

Nov 9th, 2020 8:01 pm

Wpgguy86: Sr. Member; Aug 13, 2019; 546 posts; 349 upvotes

Nov 9th, 2020 8:01 pm

Awesome price, I returned mine because of us warranty though.

Nov 9th, 2020 8:03 pm

john_rt: Jr. Member; Oct 1, 2002; 101 posts; 25 upvotes; Toronto

Nov 9th, 2020 8:03 pm

seems like a good deal.. but not an expert.. can anyone confirm,
mostly for my parents who'll open a 100 tabs and word and powerpoint and mostly docked to their monitors,

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Nov 9th, 2020 8:09 pm

trendless: Member; Aug 14, 2009; 494 posts; 812 upvotes; AB

Nov 9th, 2020 8:09 pm

Wpgguy86 wrote: ↑ I returned mine because of us warranty though.

Assuming you and the commenters on amazon.ca are correct, I don't understand what makes Amazon think this is ok. Surely there are consumer protection laws that can keep folks who don't know better from getting screwed if they need warranty support; especially when it's not anywhere in the listing.

+5

Nov 9th, 2020 8:14 pm

PickleCourt: Newbie; Sep 21, 2018; 22 posts; 20 upvotes

Nov 9th, 2020 8:14 pm

Wpgguy86 wrote: ↑ Awesome price, I returned mine because of us warranty though.

Wait, for real? Are all the units sold through Amazon not covered?

Nov 9th, 2020 8:23 pm

tinytingrin: Member; Nov 19, 2006; 268 posts; 466 upvotes; Edmonton

Nov 9th, 2020 8:23 pm

It’s a shame as many say low nit poor color accurate display... https://www.digitaltrends.com/laptop-re ... 14-review/

Nov 9th, 2020 8:24 pm

Arkaine: Deal Addict; Jun 15, 2005; 2053 posts; 1888 upvotes

Nov 9th, 2020 8:24 pm

Geoff2 wrote: ↑ Stock is likely limited.

Solid price! Even better than it was on June 9th ($793.77) when a ton of people from RFD were buying these.

Obviously related to the CDN US exchange rate being the highest it has been in the last 2 years, since these are shipped from the US.

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Nov 9th, 2020 8:28 pm

^gUrU: Sr. Member; Jan 29, 2008; 546 posts; 355 upvotes

Nov 9th, 2020 8:28 pm

trendless wrote: ↑(...)especially when it's not anywhere in the listing.

Amazon listings vary so much in layout and details.. but this listing does say Item Model Number: 81X20005US(it has to end in CA to be a Canadian edition). That said, it could be more clearly called out.. like perhaps in the Warranty & Support section right beside the technical details.

Nov 9th, 2020 8:29 pm

Bishop8: Deal Addict; Jul 23, 2004; 3880 posts; 2063 upvotes; Vancouver

Nov 9th, 2020 8:29 pm

To clarify for everyone, it is a US model but the warranty is still valid. I registered mine back when I bought it this spring. Three months in, I discover the webcam isn't working. It says that it's a US warranty, so I filed a warranty claim through Lenovo US and they sent me a box to put it in. The return address was to their Canada repair depot. I just got it back on Fri and things are fine.

I wouldn't let the concern about cross border warranty worry you if you're interested.

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Nov 9th, 2020 10:22 pm

blee92: Newbie; Dec 27, 2011; 24 posts; 4 upvotes; Toronto

Nov 9th, 2020 10:22 pm

What's amazon's return policy on these? I'm worried about the screen being too dim...if I try it out for a day and don't like it, can I return it? I have Prime if that changes anything.

Nov 9th, 2020 10:26 pm

Dhanushan: Deal Expert; Jun 20, 2020; 18926 posts; 26600 upvotes; Toronto

Nov 9th, 2020 10:26 pm

blee92 wrote: ↑ What's amazon's return policy on these? I'm worried about the screen being too dim...if I try it out for a day and don't like it, can I return it? I have Prime if that changes anything.

Found here: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/help/customer/ ... UUYKQWKWX7

Electronics purchased from Amazon.ca, or a seller but fulfilled by Amazon, can be returned to Amazon.ca within 30 days of delivery of shipment via our Returns Centre. These items must be in new condition with original packaging and accessories. We cannot accept returns of products (including musical instruments, televisions, or consumer electronics) missing the serial number or UPC; we will not issue refunds for such items.

Note: Before returning items on which you've saved personal information, such as laptops, cameras, or other electronic devices, erase this information completely.

For the 2020 holiday season, most of the items shipped between October 1 and December 31 can be returned until January 31, 2021.

Destiny is all

+1

Nov 9th, 2020 10:30 pm

blee92: Newbie; Dec 27, 2011; 24 posts; 4 upvotes; Toronto

Nov 9th, 2020 10:30 pm

Dhanushan wrote: ↑ Found here: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/help/customer/ ... UUYKQWKWX7

Electronics purchased from Amazon.ca, or a seller but fulfilled by Amazon, can be returned to Amazon.ca within 30 days of delivery of shipment via our Returns Centre. These items must be in new condition with original packaging and accessories. We cannot accept returns of products (including musical instruments, televisions, or consumer electronics) missing the serial number or UPC; we will not issue refunds for such items.

Note: Before returning items on which you've saved personal information, such as laptops, cameras, or other electronic devices, erase this information completely.

For the 2020 holiday season, most of the items shipped between October 1 and December 31 can be returned until January 31, 2021.

Is opened box still 'new condition' or do they mean unopened? I'd argue a laptop used for a day is still in 'new condition' lol

Nov 9th, 2020 10:37 pm

Dhanushan: Deal Expert; Jun 20, 2020; 18926 posts; 26600 upvotes; Toronto

Nov 9th, 2020 10:37 pm

blee92 wrote: ↑ Is opened box still 'new condition' or do they mean unopened? I'd argue a laptop used for a day is still in 'new condition' lol

Yes, will still be in "new condition" as long as there is no physical damage and modifications made to it.

Send it back as "performance or quality not adequate" since screen is to dim.

No return shipping charges for this reason.

Destiny is all

+1

Nov 9th, 2020 10:40 pm

Atheral: Sr. Member; May 12, 2006; 936 posts; 28 upvotes

Nov 9th, 2020 10:40 pm

Wow, thank you! This is even better than the previous prices. Shows 3 in stock but I just ordered one so that may be down to 2.

My wife was looking for a 2-in-1 to replace her 8 year old laptop and this one looks to be the best you can get at this price point.

Nov 9th, 2020 10:47 pm

osuman: Deal Addict; Aug 13, 2012; 3270 posts; 1031 upvotes; Toronto

Nov 9th, 2020 10:47 pm

Sad it doesn't have a numpad. Cant do any productivity work on my current 14" laptop without one.

¯\_(・_・)_/¯

Nov 9th, 2020 11:37 pm

Bishop8: Deal Addict; Jul 23, 2004; 3880 posts; 2063 upvotes; Vancouver

Nov 9th, 2020 11:37 pm

osuman wrote: ↑ Sad it doesn't have a numpad. Cant do any productivity work on my current 14" laptop without one.

I thought generally that 14" laptop =/= numpad. Wouldn't the keys be abnormally small?

+8

Nov 9th, 2020 11:47 pm

MrLincoln: Jr. Member; Mar 26, 2018; 156 posts; 191 upvotes; Saskatoon

Nov 9th, 2020 11:47 pm

osuman wrote: ↑ Sad it doesn't have a numpad. Cant do any productivity work on my current 14" laptop without one.

https://www.amazon.ca/Wireless-Numeric- ... 0143&psc=1

I only need my numpad like 15% of the time, and this works wonders. I'm glad there is no Numpad on these, keyboard keys would have to be smaller to fit one in

+2

Nov 9th, 2020 11:54 pm

jwslam: Sr. Member; Feb 26, 2011; 968 posts; 1050 upvotes; Calgary

Nov 9th, 2020 11:54 pm

does the USB-C do HDMI out?

My current laptop doesn't

Nov 10th, 2020 12:00 am

redflagdealsguy: Deal Expert; Feb 24, 2018; 26158 posts; 35296 upvotes

Nov 10th, 2020 12:00 am

osuman wrote: ↑ Sad it doesn't have a numpad. Cant do any productivity work on my current 14" laptop without one.

You won't find one on a 14".

It's either 14" form factor or numpad, the two together are almost impossibly rare.

I aim to be inclusive and considerate of others in my posts. If I fall short of that mark, feel free to let me know in good faith, and where appropriate, I'll edit my posts. Thank you.

+2

Nov 10th, 2020 12:08 am

redflagdealsguy: Deal Expert; Feb 24, 2018; 26158 posts; 35296 upvotes

Nov 10th, 2020 12:08 am

Unless you're an uber power user requiring more than 16GB RAM, this is a serious consideration for folks.

There is no competing Ryzen 4500U 2-in-1 in this price range with:
(1) 14" Form Factor
(2) 16GB RAM
(3) 2-in-1 Multitouch
(4) Upgradable SSD
(5) Upgradable WiFi (Recommend: Intel AX200NGW WiFi 6 Card)
(6) Active Pen Included
(7) Rapid Charging 80% in 1 Hour
(8) USB-C with Power Delivery

The one notable downside is USB-C is not DP 1.4 and cannot do video out. The HDMI port is supposedly 1.4 and cannot do 4K60 RGB 4:4:4 required for clear text on a ultra-sized 4K monitor. 4K60 is now possible on 1.4 using Chroma 4:2:0 which looks okay on smaller 4K monitors, but not on large ones.

If you don't care about the above, this is a great overall device for the price.

Note: HDMI 1.4 cannot do 4K60 RGB, but DP 1.4 can do 4K60 RGB, confusing I know.

I aim to be inclusive and considerate of others in my posts. If I fall short of that mark, feel free to let me know in good faith, and where appropriate, I'll edit my posts. Thank you.

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