Thank you Vinnie1990 for the details. Gonna pull the trigger on RBK50. It is $340 on Dell for work also 8% Rakuten if anyone in the market to get one. Was 2% from Rakuten
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- gtadealshunting
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- weedb0y
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AC2200 - 400-500mbs Price $250 Performance gain n/a baselinevinnie1990 wrote: ↑ TL:DR - Yes the RBK 50 for $80 more is a no brainer. Get satellites to attach to it if your house is massive or you have a big yard.
I found it worth it (I bought both and tested them one after another, in the exact same spots) and I found the RBK50 pushed out way better signal. I have 100+ connected smart devices and found less lag when giving my Google Assistants commands like 'turn off kitchen lights' etc. For $330, its a really good price. I know people can complain about wifi 6 vs wifi 5.. but it was like when AC came to life.. took a while for devices and laptops to get all refreshed. TBH, I was going to buy the RBK852 in the US which is the Orbi AX, but with the current exchange rate.. its almost $1k CDN... I don't think the extra bit of wifi speed is going to be worth it.. I'll wait for more wifi 6 devices to come out and push that price down.. right now they are asking way too much for marginal performance. How I think of it for now
AC2200 - 400-500mbs Price $250 Performance gain n/a baseline
AC3000 - 500-700mbs Price $330 Performance gain 25-40%
AX6000 - 800-1000mbs Price $900 performance gain over 2200 100% performance gain over AC3000 - 40-60%
Is the AX worth 4x or 3x the price... I don't think so, but you be the judge.. its your money. Keep in mind, those speeds need the corresponding signal.. so you'll need AX devices to hit those (I ain't ready to shelf all my existing shit to do it).
One thing to note, the AX nighthawk did sent higher AC wifi power (at the closer ranges) and handles more users/devices nicely.. but again, the price premium is double when you factor in the mesh network (i.e. need more than 1 or 2 extra devices), so its a pass...
TBH, (again my amateur review) I did buy the nighthawk AX and tested that... it was insanely fast with the Iphone 11 Pro (which is AX) but when I took it to another floor... the signal was crap (my house is around 3000 sq ft). Compared to the RBK50... I got slower, but consistent speed. Am I maxing out my Rogers gigabit internet, with the RBK50... no, but I'm hitting the bottle neck speeds over wifi. The ethernet backhaul is amazing for office/server units and I do need more than 1 additional port (if you use the AC2200, one port is for the incoming ethernet, leaving you with 1 outbound for a device, which doesn't quite cut it for me).
Hope this helps people and kills the whole Wifi 5 vs 6... if you haven't tried it in your house for yourself.. keep your comments or false hopes to yourself. Newer isn't always better, but in this tech case, newer requires upgrades across the board to truly see the benefit. I will get wifi 6 eventually, but I personally don't think wifi is something tech early adoption benefits from (unlike smartphones and tvs etc.)
AC3000 - 500-700mbs Price $330 Performance gain 25-40%
AX6000 - 800-1000mbs Price $900 performance gain over 2200 100% performance gain over AC3000 - 40-60%
Actually, you can get even more from AC2200 vs AC3000, look into the specs, most likely the extra bump is on 2.4ghz (which is useless these days).
- weedb0y
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You 220 next to router is not good, what device are you testing this with? Most likely it's the antenna limit on your device vs the node.
- vinnie1990
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these were from the real world speeds from my house. The spec sheets are helpful,.but sometimes I can't get them, no matter how much I try to config hence why I don't like to say I'm a pro reviewer hahaweedb0y wrote: ↑ AC2200 - 400-500mbs Price $250 Performance gain n/a baseline
AC3000 - 500-700mbs Price $330 Performance gain 25-40%
AX6000 - 800-1000mbs Price $900 performance gain over 2200 100% performance gain over AC3000 - 40-60%
Actually, you can get even more from AC2200 vs AC3000, look into the specs, most likely the extra bump is on 2.4ghz (which is useless these days).
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- freed1b
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- Dec 1, 2006
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Is the Dell for work deal over? Can't seem to find it at $340 - looks like $400 nowweedb0y wrote: ↑ AC2200 - 400-500mbs Price $250 Performance gain n/a baseline
AC3000 - 500-700mbs Price $330 Performance gain 25-40%
AX6000 - 800-1000mbs Price $900 performance gain over 2200 100% performance gain over AC3000 - 40-60%
Actually, you can get even more from AC2200 vs AC3000, look into the specs, most likely the extra bump is on 2.4ghz (which is useless these days).
- gtadealshunting
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- Feb 2, 2018
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- gtadealshunting
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- Feb 2, 2018
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Quick question for the Orbi owners, do you update the firmware when first set up the router? Also, I need to switch my currently Rogers hitron to bridge mode right? Thanks
- ChibaK
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- Nov 18, 2019
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I just set up the RBK 23 yesterday.
Instead of bridging I switched Orbi to AP mode. I had to call in to my provider (Cogeco) to force the wireless on the Hitron to turn off.
As for firmware, Orbi will ask if you want to update it; I did.
Instead of bridging I switched Orbi to AP mode. I had to call in to my provider (Cogeco) to force the wireless on the Hitron to turn off.
As for firmware, Orbi will ask if you want to update it; I did.
- gtadealshunting
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- Feb 2, 2018
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Thanks.
Sorry nooby question, what is the difference between bridging mode and AP mode? Why you choose to set up in AP mode?
- ChibaK
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I am just as noob as you . I asked a similar question at around Post #142gtadealshunting wrote: ↑ Thanks.
Sorry nooby question, what is the difference between bridging mode and AP mode? Why you choose to set up in AP mode?
- cybertron
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- Nov 19, 2006
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From my research and knowing someone with the RBK50, I would highly recommend the RBK50 if wireless and speed is a factor for you. I also jumped on the Dell Deal yesterday, after the 15% discount the total came to $380 shipped.
- Live Gamble
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- Dec 13, 2004
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- Toronto
Nope. Netgear firmware doesn't allow you to install a VPN. I had to take an old router that I had, install DD-WRT on it, install the VPN on it, and then put the old router between my modem and Orbi.martinjgravel wrote: ↑ I am assuming you can VPN (aka NordVPN) with Orbi, is that correct?
- Live Gamble
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Not having the ability to turn off the 5GH or have separate SSDs for 2.4GH and 5GH is a real pain. I have a bunch of Google minis & smart TVs which randomly decided which frequency to connect too. Of course my phone did the same so it was impossible to configure them using the Orbi. I had to swap out the Orbi with an old router, configure the devices using the old router and then swap the Orbi back in.Buzz001 wrote: ↑ I've had the RBK50 for over 6 months now, and have had no issues.... Gives me great coverage throughout the house, basement, and garage, as well as outdoors (house footprint almost 3,000 sq ft).
The one challenge is when installing smart home devices (lights, plugs, thermostats, etc) which need to connect via 2.4GHz to set up... There is no way to "turn off" the 5GHz band on the Orbi (but you can reduce power to 25%), and then try to get your phone or tablet to connect to 2.4GHz (turn off satellite, move as far away from base as possible, etc).
- bb_00
- Sr. Member
- Feb 1, 2004
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- Markham
I'm using the Galaxy Note 8 wifi. I noticed that too. Perhaps, it's the Orbi setting which I need to tweak. Trying to find out what others' setting is.
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- lakesarecool
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- Feb 24, 2007
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In the past Cable Boxes and Modems provided by Rogers and Bell were just Cable Boxes and Modems and you always had a separate Router.gtadealshunting wrote: ↑ Thanks.
Sorry nooby question, what is the difference between bridging mode and AP mode? Why you choose to set up in AP mode?
In layman's terms a Router is what allows allow you to share your internet connection across multiple computer's and devices. Without it you would only be able to use one device plugged directly in to your Cable Modem.
Nowadays most Cable Boxes and Modems provided by Rogers and Bell also come with built in Router and WIFI functionality. For small homes and Condos this is usually sufficient without a separate system like Orbi, Eero, etc.
When you install a separate Router/Wifi System like Orbi, Eero, Google Wifi, etc. it is standard to disable the Router functionality inside of the Cable Box or Mode.
Disabling the Router functionality is typically called "Bridge" mode.
The other option is to keep using the Router functionality inside of the Cable Box or Modem and instead use something called "AP" mode.
This will allow your WIFI system to act as a WIFI system only and it will not provide any routing functionality, instead it will rely on the Cable Box/Modem.
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"AP" (Access Point) mode is also used when you have multiple WIFI devices in one house.
Typically you will only want one device with Routing functionality and the rest will be placed in "AP" mode and share the routing functionality of your main device.
Mesh systems are really just Router's with AP's except they made it much more user friendly and seamless for most users.
Mesh systems will typically automatically set up one WIFI device as the main router, and the rest of the WIFI devices as AP's for you, without any real configuration or setup like in the past.
- gtadealshunting
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Thank you for the detailed explanation.lakesarecool wrote: ↑
In the past Cable Boxes and Modems provided by Rogers and Bell were just Cable Boxes and Modems and you always had a separate Router.
In layman's terms a Router is what allows allow you to share your internet connection across multiple computer's and devices. Without it you would only be able to use one device plugged directly in to your Cable Modem.
Nowadays most Cable Boxes and Modems provided by Rogers and Bell also come with built in Router and WIFI functionality. For small homes and Condos this is usually sufficient without a separate system like Orbi, Eero, etc.
When you install a separate Router/Wifi System like Orbi, Eero, Google Wifi, etc. it is standard to disable the Router functionality inside of the Cable Box or Mode.
Disabling the Router functionality is typically called "Bridge" mode.
The other option is to keep using the Router functionality inside of the Cable Box or Modem and instead use something called "AP" mode.
This will allow your WIFI system to act as a WIFI system only and it will not provide any routing functionality, instead it will rely on the Cable Box/Modem.
_____________________________
"AP" (Access Point) mode is also used when you have multiple WIFI devices in one house.
Typically you will only want one device with Routing functionality and the rest will be placed in "AP" mode and share the routing functionality of your main device.
Mesh systems are really just Router's with AP's except they made it much more user friendly and seamless for most users.
Mesh systems will typically automatically set up one WIFI device as the main router, and the rest of the WIFI devices as AP's for you, without any real configuration or setup like in the past.
I saw previously people say you should switch the Rogers hitron to bridge mode and use Obri as the router and plus one satellite for RBK50-OPTION1.
But also people said just switched the Orbi to AP modes-OPTION 2.
Which one is the preferred set up for people in general? My modem/router from Rogers is in the basement, and I do not have the capability to do wired backhaul for the Orbi satellite either. I was thinking to do Option 1 and never really thought about Option 2.
Any advice is appreciated.
Thank you.
- punkrockdude85
- Newbie
- Oct 3, 2014
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- Toronto, ON
London Argyle Walmart had the RBK50 mis-priced as the RBK23. Not sure if they all were mis-priced as they were all tied up with the anti-steal spider stuff, but worth a check. There were 4 Orbi boxes left (after I took mine)(not sure of models, but were definitely 23 or 50). Picked up earlier today.
- lakesarecool
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- Feb 24, 2007
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Option 1 is what I would recommend and what I do with my setup.
Usually the routing functionality of a Rogers or Bell provided modem is much more limited in functionality than what you get from an Orbi type system.
Usually the routing functionality of a Rogers or Bell provided modem is much more limited in functionality than what you get from an Orbi type system.
- weedb0y
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From experience across various routers, APs, mesh units, this is most likely limitation of your phone vs the router. This goes to others as well who are recommending investment into more expensive equipment, at the end of the day, the receiving device is also a limiting factor.
- weedb0y
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Rogers's CODA hitron modem has pretty decent specs for routing, so keep leveraging it and use Orbi for purely WIFI / AP mode. But you do forgoe on any ORBI specfic value adds (features like kids mode etc..)gtadealshunting wrote: ↑ Thank you for the detailed explanation.
I saw previously people say you should switch the Rogers hitron to bridge mode and use Obri as the router and plus one satellite for RBK50-OPTION1.
But also people said just switched the Orbi to AP modes-OPTION 2.
Which one is the preferred set up for people in general? My modem/router from Rogers is in the basement, and I do not have the capability to do wired backhaul for the Orbi satellite either. I was thinking to do Option 1 and never really thought about Option 2.
Any advice is appreciated.
Thank you.
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