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Patriot 3733Mhz CL17 16GB (2x8GB) [Ryzen 3000 Peak Peformance] - $127.99

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[Amazon.ca] Patriot 3733Mhz CL17 16GB (2x8GB) [Ryzen 3000 Peak Peformance] - $127.99

antonbrk wrote: That budget 3733 Mhz Patriot Viper Steel RAM seems back in stock... (pardon if this post doesn't belong here--the earlier thread about it expired).

https://www.amazon.ca/Patriot-Viper-373 ... 07N43CYMS/
Strike while the iron is hot!

This will stock out.
redflagdealsguy wrote:

He tests RAM up to 3600Mhz and 3800Mhz (but readily admits that 3733Mhz CL17 would likely be the best performer). The point is nonetheless made that up to 3733Mhz CL17, you're seeing incremental improvement. Fast RAM up to 3733Mhz CL17 is best for gamers at 144Hz or 240Hz, where games are more CPU bottlenecked.

Other benches have found deltas of 10% or more in fps between bog standard 3200Mhz CL16 and 3733Mhz CL17. This scales and can lead to as much as a 15 to 25fps boost at a 144 and 240fps target respectively.
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i think this would match the ryzen infinity fabric 1:1 right?
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Would this give a big performance boost over the XPG Gammix D10 3200MHz? I'll be on the Ryzen 3700x.
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omar613 wrote: Would this give a big performance boost over the XPG Gammix D10 3200MHz? I'll be on the Ryzen 3700x.
No not huge in most tasks, might get maybe 5fps in some games.

I wouldnt
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tempted to grab....but just bought a 3200 32gb gskill kit =\
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He tests RAM up to 3600Mhz and 3800Mhz (but readily admits that 3733Mhz CL17 would likely be the best performer). The point is nonetheless made that up to 3733Mhz CL17, you're seeing incremental improvement. Fast RAM up to 3733Mhz CL17 is best for gamers at 144Hz or 240Hz, where games are more CPU bottlenecked.

Other benches have found deltas of 10% or more in fps between bog standard 3200Mhz CL16 and 3733Mhz CL17. This scales and can lead to as much as a 15 to 25fps boost at a 144 and 240fps target respectively.
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Two things to note from that video: they are done at 1080p, where ram has a more significant impact than 1440p and higher. Also, other benchmarkers have shown that in several games the difference is only a couple FPS difference at best between 3000 and 3600 ram with similar timings: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd- ... ark/4.html

It's worth buying better ram if you don't already have a decent kit. If you're upgrading something already decent, don't expect a big difference or you might be disappointed. I have a 3200 CL16 kit and this 3733mhz kit overclocked to CL16 and tested both and saw no meaningful difference in games. I am planning to return this one now.

I bought this kit for $115 a couple weeks ago by the way.
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Senescence wrote: Two things to note from that video: they are done at 1080p, where ram has a more significant impact than 1440p and higher. Also, other benchmarkers have shown that it the difference is only a couple FPS difference between 3000 and 3600 ram with similar timings: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd- ... ark/4.html

Don't expect a big difference. I have a 3200 kit and this 3733mhz kit and tested both and saw no meaningful difference in games.
Those benches are deceptive as they're using lower clock but also unusually low timing RAM. 3200 CL14 and 3733 CL17 offer pretty comparable performance by comparison, but the 3733Mhz CL17 is actually cheaper.

The much more common 3200Mhz CL16 is up to 10%+ slower at 144fps and 240fps.

I've said this before, but these RAM deals find better reception with the BAPC crowd than a RFD Hot Deals crowd, as there are fewer PC enthusiasts here.

I also bought this at $117.99 like you did, but even with a $10 premium there's a market for this RAM.
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Senescence wrote: Two things to note from that video: they are done at 1080p, where ram has a more significant impact than 1440p and higher. Also, other benchmarkers have shown that in several games the difference is only a couple FPS difference at best between 3000 and 3600 ram with similar timings: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd- ... ark/4.html

It's worth buying better ram if you don't already have a decent kit. If you're upgrading something already decent, don't expect a big difference or you might be disappointed. I have a 3200 CL16 kit and this 3733mhz kit overclocked to CL16 and tested both and saw no meaningful difference in games. I am planning to return this one now.

I bought this kit for $115 a couple weeks ago by the way.
Does this mean that you can return RAM to Amazon after it's been used/tested? I didn't know that.

If you're going to return it anyway, would you please consider passing the deal on and sell it to me instead? Please PM me. Thanks!

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FYI I'm pretty sure they are not bdie and this is why they are much cheaper than the patriot 3866.

I have the 3866 and currently running at 1.42V 3600 14-14-14-28
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I bought the 3866mhz version before for 159.99 before. Should I buy this one and return the 3866mhz version, save like 20 bucks, or keep it and underclock it to 3733hmz? It's for future Ryzen 3900x build.
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ShingoHusky wrote: FYI I'm pretty sure they are not bdie and this is why they are much cheaper than the patriot 3866.

I have the 3866 and currently running at 1.42V 3600 14-14-14-28
3600Mhz CL14 is excellent, but you paid for it at $160 a pop.
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25jai wrote: I bought the 3866mhz version before for 159.99 before. Should I buy this one and return the 3866mhz version, save like 20 bucks, or keep it and underclock it to 3733hmz? It's for future Ryzen 3900x build.
If you want to save your money, sure.

However since you have B die RAM, try 3600Mhz CL14 based on @ShingoHusky's timings. If that doesn't work, it should work at 3733Mhz CL17.
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And it's gone....

The BAPC crowd cleaned house in short order.
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Tried to hunt for B-die for a while before I got my new CPU. Settled on this 3200MHz CL16 32GB kit for my Ryzen 3000 build (OOS now): https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07N23 ... UTF8&psc=1
It was $186, no tax. It ended up being CJR and I was able to get 3200MHz @ 14-17-17-18 1T, 1.35v on first try. Haven't bothered to squeeze more out of it. This definitely much more future proof than 16GB, at least for me.
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redflagdealsguy wrote: If you want to save your money, sure.

However since you have B die RAM, try 3600Mhz CL14Mhz based on @ShingoHusky's timings. If that doesn't work, it should work at 3733Mhz CL17.
How do you know if it's B-die or not? I was reading comments on reddit for this and someone mentioned that they said 4000Mhz+ kits are B-Die, but also mentioned an amazon review says this 3866mhz version is B-die as well. Not really sure who's right.
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25jai wrote: How do you know if it's B-die or not? I was reading comments on reddit for this and someone mentioned that they said 4000Mhz+ kits are B-Die, but also mentioned an amazon review says this 3866mhz version is B-die as well. Not really sure who's right.
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dracolnyte wrote: i think this would match the ryzen infinity fabric 1:1 right?
No, max for 1:1 ratio is 3600 from what I read,.
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Max is 3733. You read misinformation.

Edit: off by 33 MHz
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Vdragoon wrote: Max is 3766. You read misinformation.
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Per Tom's Hardware:
As with previous-gen Ryzen, memory overclocking confers big performance speedups for gaming. To sidestep the Infinity Fabric's maximum frequency of 2,000 MHz, which effectively constrains memory overclocking, AMD allows users to separate the memory and Infinity Fabric clock dependencies. The domains remain tied together at a 1:1 ratio up to DDR4-3733, but run at a 2:1 ratio beyond that transfer rate. This setting, which is also user-adjustable in the BIOS, improves memory bandwidth but comes with a latency penalty (~9ns)
Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ry ... ,6214.html

Simply put, it's 3733Mhz, and 3733Mhz CL17 is the most common memory spec at this frequency.

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