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Nov 30th, 2021 9:52 pm
eugeneo [OP]
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[Amazon.ca] Philips Fully Automatic Espresso Machines - 4300 Series $878 or 2200 Series $765

Phlips 4300 Fully Automatic Espresso Machine with Classic Milk Frother, EP4321/54 $878

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08SHCP1MB/ref ... PKW67F3CQG

Philips 2200 Series Fully automatic Espresso Machine with LatteGo, EP2230/14, Black $765

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07X2QLBB1/ref ... GMBNBD185Q
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Nov 30th, 2021 10:25 pm
Temporel
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Nov 30th, 2021 10:25 pm

Prices in title please. :)
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Nov 30th, 2021 10:32 pm
BritsinCanada
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Nov 30th, 2021 10:32 pm

The Philips (Saeco) machines aren’t bad, and this is coming up as 5 months 0% interest payments for me. They should last about 5 years before expensive bits go wrong (water sensor, ceramic grinders, coffee sensor and then the brew group). Either that or they will fail under warranty.

A bit plasticky and low quality build - my Saeco Minuto lasted 5 years. This is basically the replacement for that series of machines.

However I recently replaced my old machine with a Delonghi refurb from HCS. These are returnable for any reason for the first 90 days of use, but have less warranty (pay with a premium credit card that gives an extra 12 month warranty to sort that).

https://www.homecoffeesolutions.com/col ... efurbished

Ignore the ‘retail price’ in my link. They sell for $1600-$1700 new…
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Nov 30th, 2021 11:23 pm
ssy080
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Nov 30th, 2021 11:23 pm

BritsinCanada wrote: ↑ The Philips (Saeco) machines aren’t bad, and this is coming up as 5 months 0% interest payments for me. They should last about 5 years before expensive bits go wrong (water sensor, ceramic grinders, coffee sensor and then the brew group). Either that or they will fail under warranty.

A bit plasticky and low quality build - my Saeco Minuto lasted 5 years. This is basically the replacement for that series of machines.

However I recently replaced my old machine with a Delonghi refurb from HCS. These are returnable for any reason for the first 90 days of use, but have less warranty (pay with a premium credit card that gives an extra 12 month warranty to sort that).

https://www.homecoffeesolutions.com/col ... efurbished

Ignore the ‘retail price’ in my link. They sell for $1600-$1700 new…
Just ordered one :).. though your credit card won't cover you for 12 months as it is refurbished? How do you like the machine?
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Nov 30th, 2021 11:26 pm
BritsinCanada
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Nov 30th, 2021 11:26 pm

ssy080 wrote: ↑ Just ordered one :).. though your credit card won't cover you for 12 months as it is refurbished? How do you like the machine?
RBC covers refurbished items. So does CIBC. They’re the only ones.

Machine is great at the price. Mine looked completely brand new. They are refurbished by Delonghi and not a 3rd party too.
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Dec 1st, 2021 12:33 am
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Dec 1st, 2021 12:33 am

I can speak from personal experience, these machines are amazing. Lowest price I've seen on the 4300. As long as you do regular maintenance (ie. rinsing out the brew group from excess grinds every week or two). you're good to go.

However, the 2200 isn't that great a deal. I'd rather get the 1200 from Costco for $659:
https://www.costco.ca/philips-1200-seri ... 21857.html

Literally the only difference between 1200 and 2200 is that 2200 comes with AquaClean, but Costco added 2x Aquacleans to the package (manually), so literally Costco's 1200 is actually better than a regular retail 2200. Comparison here that shows there's no real difference:
https://artofbarista.com/philips-2200-review/
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Dec 1st, 2021 2:25 am
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Dec 1st, 2021 2:25 am

BritsinCanada wrote: ↑The Philips (Saeco) machines aren’t bad, and this is coming up as 5 months 0% interest payments for me. They should last about 5 years before expensive bits go wrong (water sensor, ceramic grinders, coffee sensor and then the brew group). Either that or they will fail under warranty.

A bit plasticky and low quality build - my Saeco Minuto lasted 5 years. This is basically the replacement for that series of machines.

However I recently replaced my old machine with a Delonghi refurb from HCS. These are returnable for any reason for the first 90 days of use, but have less warranty (pay with a premium credit card that gives an extra 12 month warranty to sort that).

https://www.homecoffeesolutions.com/col ... efurbished

Ignore the ‘retail price’ in my link. They sell for $1600-$1700 new…
Thank you so much! My Breville machine broke down and they asked me $600+ for the repair...(which is almost the new machine price!) I was looking for a new one and this is just a perfect machine I was looking for. Push button, then boom! Good coffee!
Dec 1st, 2021 9:11 am
BritsinCanada
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Dec 1st, 2021 9:11 am

bubboteaboy wrote: ↑ I can speak from personal experience, these machines are amazing. Lowest price I've seen on the 4300. As long as you do regular maintenance (ie. rinsing out the brew group from excess grinds every week or two). you're good to go.

However, the 2200 isn't that great a deal. I'd rather get the 1200 from Costco for $659:
https://www.costco.ca/philips-1200-seri ... 21857.html

Literally the only difference between 1200 and 2200 is that 2200 comes with AquaClean, but Costco added 2x Aquacleans to the package (manually), so literally Costco's 1200 is actually better than a regular retail 2200. Comparison here that shows there's no real difference:
https://artofbarista.com/philips-2200-review/
There are a lot more differences if you read the reviews and comparisons. They aren’t even the same machine inside apparently. I haven’t compared the two but I suspect the 1200 is an older design in a new plastic case.
Dec 1st, 2021 9:19 am
eugeneo [OP]
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Dec 1st, 2021 9:19 am

BritsinCanada wrote: ↑ There are a lot more differences if you read the reviews and comparisons. They aren’t even the same machine inside apparently. I haven’t compared the two but I suspect the 1200 is an older design in a new plastic case.
The Costco one does not have the LatteGo feature.
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Dec 1st, 2021 9:46 am
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Dec 1st, 2021 9:46 am

I bought 3100 from Costco in 2019 or 2020 online. Does anyone if I can return this one and get the 2200 model?

Not sure how warranty works.
Dec 1st, 2021 10:04 am
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Dec 1st, 2021 10:04 am

bubboteaboy wrote: ↑ I can speak from personal experience, these machines are amazing. Lowest price I've seen on the 4300. As long as you do regular maintenance (ie. rinsing out the brew group from excess grinds every week or two). you're good to go.

However, the 2200 isn't that great a deal. I'd rather get the 1200 from Costco for $659:
https://www.costco.ca/philips-1200-seri ... 21857.html

Literally the only difference between 1200 and 2200 is that 2200 comes with AquaClean, but Costco added 2x Aquacleans to the package (manually), so literally Costco's 1200 is actually better than a regular retail 2200. Comparison here that shows there's no real difference:
https://artofbarista.com/philips-2200-review/
I agree on 1200 vs 2200, but Amazon is the LatteGo 2200 and Costco's 1200 is the wand version, so.. probably worth the $100 premium if you like milk-based beverages..
Dec 1st, 2021 10:06 am
hvc
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Dec 1st, 2021 10:06 am

ysl5710 wrote: ↑ I bought 3100 from Costco in 2019 or 2020 online. Does anyone if I can return this one and get the 2200 model?

Not sure how warranty works.
"heyy, yeah nothing wrong with it. Just used it daily for 2 years and found a better deal so I want to return this bad boy and buy a different one somewhere else. Thanks! That's what the return policy is for, right?"

Reminds me of the guy in front of me once returning a previously-installed corner shower that was absolutely filthy.

lol
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Dec 1st, 2021 10:10 am
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Dec 1st, 2021 10:10 am

Actually, I believe that review is based on a slightly older US 1200 model. If you look at the Costco 1220C, it has 2x espresso option and coffee option. It's essentially the same as the 2200 except no LatteGo as others have pointed out. Btw, Cdn Tire has now started carrying the 2200 as well.
BritsinCanada wrote: ↑ There are a lot more differences if you read the reviews and comparisons. They aren’t even the same machine inside apparently. I haven’t compared the two but I suspect the 1200 is an older design in a new plastic case.
Dec 1st, 2021 10:19 am
hvc
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Dec 1st, 2021 10:19 am

spdecoste wrote: ↑ This is the old version of 4300.
Negative. it's just the wand version.
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Dec 1st, 2021 10:49 am
glib
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Dec 1st, 2021 10:49 am

ysl5710 wrote: ↑I bought 3100 from Costco in 2019 or 2020 online. Does anyone if I can return this one and get the 2200 model?

Not sure how warranty works.
The least you could do is be a little more discreet when you're being a slimeball.

Even if the forum is anonymous, have you no shame ysl5710?
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Dec 1st, 2021 10:53 am
Maddog
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Dec 1st, 2021 10:53 am

Shoper101 wrote: ↑ From those who own automatic machines, any opinion on spending little more for ECAM23270S ($999.99 from Costco Item 3377441)?

https://www.amazon.ca/DeLonghi-Magnific ... hen&sr=1-3
I bought the slightly older version from Costco about 5-6 years ago. Some slight complaints only - cleaning the milk carafe can be a pain if you do a lot of milk based drinks, and the espresso could come out hotter. But other than that its been a good dependable machine.

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