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[Amazon Canada] Prime Day Fire TV Stick Sale: 4K $44.99; Non-4K $27.99

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missed this deal, anyone have extra fire stick 4 sale ? PM
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WetCoastGuy wrote:
Jul 20th, 2019 2:06 pm
]. But never use torrents without a VPN even on a Firestick, be careful with the stream that your app picks as some may be torrent servers.
You don't know how many emails I had received from Rogers regarding copyright infringement. I had been using Popcorn Time for streaming tv shows and I am assuming that some servers must be torrent servers. Stopped streaming that show and no emails from Rogers since.
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jceezy23 wrote:
Jul 22nd, 2019 2:45 pm
I had been using Popcorn Time for streaming tv shows and I am assuming that some servers must be torrent servers.
I would stay away from Popcorn Time, it is a BitTorrent-powered movie streaming app. Why use it when there are lots of other safer streaming apps that just uses cloud storage sites like Putlocker. Torrents allow "copyright trolls" to argue that you are distributing and therefore can sue you for lots of unspecified damages, whereas a download is worth only about a couple of bucks and not worth pursuing.
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I am still waiting for my 2 Firestick 4k's to arrive.

Amazon tracking showed expected delivery date of Jul 16, a shipping notification on Jul 17 (with 2 serial numbers logged) and a shipping status of "your shipment may be lost". Online chat with Amazon agent last night, and they are shipping replacement units with an expected delivery date for this Friday.

I received my 2 100Mbps USB ethernet adapters for my 2 Firestick 4k's last Wed.
gregoiresun wrote:
Jul 16th, 2019 6:33 pm
You definitely read wrong, 4k can easily chew up 80mbps on constant bit rate, and high action/hdr scenes can eat up more.

Just imagine a 80GigaBYTE(not bit, BYTE) movie spanning two hours (120 minutes), and do the math.
Okay, here is the math. Correct me if I am wrong...

80GigaBYTE (not bit, but BTYE) = 85,899,345,920 bytes for a 7,200 second (120 minute) long movie.
85,899,345,920 bytes = 687,194,767,360 bits
687,194,767,360 bits / 7,200 seconds = 95,443,718 bits per second
100Mbps = 104,857,600 bits per second
104,857,600 bits per second > 95,443,718 bits per second (91% of capacity which allows for TCP/IP overhead)

Most Firestick 4k users won't have a >100Mbps internet connection speeds. If the person streamed 1 80GB movie per day, they would have used 2.4TB of bandwidth in 30 days. I don't think any of the streaming services even stream 4k videos uncompressed.

Most won't be storing 80GB uncompressed 4k videos on their NAS drives either. If they did, a 2TB drive would only hold 25 4k movies.
Most will be storing HEVC compressed 4k videos, and the Firestick 4k can play the HEVC (h.265) compressed videos.

Again, I am not sure what common use case where anyone would need a 1Gbs adapter instead of a 100Mbps adapter on a single Firestick 4k.
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cba123 wrote:
Jul 24th, 2019 8:29 pm
I am still waiting for my 2 Firestick 4k's to arrive.

Amazon tracking showed expected delivery date of Jul 16, a shipping notification on Jul 17 (with 2 serial numbers logged) and a shipping status of "your shipment may be lost". Online chat with Amazon agent last night, and they are shipping replacement units with an expected delivery date for this Friday.

I received my 2 100Mbps USB ethernet adapters for my 2 Firestick 4k's last Wed.



Okay, here is the math. Correct me if I am wrong...

80GigaBYTE (not bit, but BTYE) = 85,899,345,920 bytes for a 7,200 second (120 minute) long movie.
85,899,345,920 bytes = 687,194,767,360 bits
687,194,767,360 bits / 7,200 seconds = 95,443,718 bits per second
100Mbps = 104,857,600 bits per second
104,857,600 bits per second > 95,443,718 bits per second (91% of capacity which allows for TCP/IP overhead)

Most Firestick 4k users won't have a >100Mbps internet connection speeds. If the person streamed 1 80GB movie per day, they would have used 2.4TB of bandwidth in 30 days. I don't think any of the streaming services even stream 4k videos uncompressed.

Most won't be storing 80GB uncompressed 4k videos on their NAS drives either. If they did, a 2TB drive would only hold 25 4k movies.
Most will be storing HEVC compressed 4k videos, and the Firestick 4k can play the HEVC (h.265) compressed videos.

Again, I am not sure what common use case where anyone would need a 1Gbs adapter instead of a 100Mbps adapter on a single Firestick 4k.

Thats for constant bit rate, as I said, in most movies bitrates fluctuate depending on high action/movement, vs a scene with just 1 guy's face talking...

In those scenes is where you see the spikes that exceed it.

Also, what do you mean Most Firestick 4k users won't have 100mbps internet connection speeds??? Internet speed is completely and utterly 110% irrelevant, you can have a 5mbps budget plan and still stream full 4k on a LAN assuming your router wasn't made in the 80s.

Also: Not sure what your source is for "most", but you'd be surprised how many people actually do store the 80gb uncompressed as h265/x265 is still very much in its comparative infancy.
Also: Not sure why you are using 2TB point as a reference, when 10TB+ drives have existed for the last... 3?4?5? years?
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cba123 wrote:
Jul 24th, 2019 8:29 pm
I am still waiting for my 2 Firestick 4k's to arrive.

Amazon tracking showed expected delivery date of Jul 16, a shipping notification on Jul 17 (with 2 serial numbers logged) and a shipping status of "your shipment may be lost". Online chat with Amazon agent last night, and they are shipping replacement units with an expected delivery date for this Friday.
I had the same thing happened to me...tracking said "shipment may be lost"...I just showed up at the post office and the packet had arrived 2 days earlier but the issue was Amazon forgot to put my name on it so they never knew who it was for...I show them the tracking number and that was it...
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kimo37 wrote:
Jul 25th, 2019 8:44 am
I had the same thing happened to me...tracking said "shipment may be lost"...I just showed up at the post office and the packet had arrived 2 days earlier but the issue was Amazon forgot to put my name on it so they never knew who it was for...I show them the tracking number and that was it...
My tracking number never showed any carrier. The new re-shipped order tracking showed Canada Post receiving the package from Amazon. Received the replacements tonight.
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gregoiresun wrote:
Jul 24th, 2019 9:34 pm
Thats for constant bit rate, as I said, in most movies bitrates fluctuate depending on high action/movement, vs a scene with just 1 guy's face talking...

In those scenes is where you see the spikes that exceed it.

Also, what do you mean Most Firestick 4k users won't have 100mbps internet connection speeds??? Internet speed is completely and utterly 110% irrelevant, you can have a 5mbps budget plan and still stream full 4k on a LAN assuming your router wasn't made in the 80s.

Also: Not sure what your source is for "most", but you'd be surprised how many people actually do store the 80gb uncompressed as h265/x265 is still very much in its comparative infancy.
Also: Not sure why you are using 2TB point as a reference, when 10TB+ drives have existed for the last... 3?4?5? years?
So, you just agreed that a 100Mbps adapter is all that is really needed to watch 4k videos.

I have had my 1TB drives for nearly 10 years now?, and my 4TB drives are about 4 years old now. I maxed out long ago, and replaced my uncompressed DVD and bluray files with smaller H264 versions to free up space. I couldn't save anything in h265 format since I didn't have any hardware that could decode it, which is why it isn't as popular a format yet. 2 of my Raspberry Pi's will now be replaced by the new Firestick 4K's, and will be redeployed for other projects. Since the Firestick 4k's can handle H265, I can start to slowly replace the H264 files to free up more space vs buying more drives.
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I'm watching shows on prime video through my fire stick 4k (which is much better than I thought it would be btw). I cancelled my prime trial today and was wondering, if I were to accidentally click on a prime video after the trial expires, does it somehow activate the trial again or will it charge me for anything?
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calgaryleb wrote:
Jul 22nd, 2019 2:23 pm
missed this deal, anyone have extra fire stick 4 sale ? PM
I have a 4k one I'm going to return, I would let it go at cost, but I'm located in the GTA
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Anyone know if you can force SDR on either the Fire Stick or Netflix app? I've changed the setting from "always hdr" to "adaptive" but I have it connected to a non-HDR display and some netflix content looks faded / colours washed out cause defaulting to the HDR stream... (probably cause the fire stick is reporting that it's HDR capable even when connected to a non-HDR display)

Also, can KODI do HDR to SDR tone mapping? (Trying to avoid having to keep both SDR and HDR versions of movies & tv shows)

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