AMD fighting the good fight for everyone!

BernardRyder wrote: ↑ It sounds like a good idea. Having used PC's for a good while now, I always liked ATI/AMD video graphics, especially the ATI days when they were still Canadian.
But the biggest drawback with their graphics solutions has plagued them since forever - the software support side, as It kinda sucks.
If game devs are relying on them to provide stable drivers and patches, this is where I see a weak spot. If that's not a factor here, then giddyup.

However, things are changing lately, and mostly in favor of AMD

Redmask wrote: ↑ seem to care more about procuring supply for consoles

Redmask wrote: ↑ I don't really agree. Over the past 5-6 years in the GPU market AMD has been known for its paper launches, poor driver quality and Nvidia still retains the performance crown by a long shot. Look at a Steam hardware survey sometime, it ain't pretty for AMD. Despite a huge push over the last few years they gained all of a single market share percentage on the GPU side, Nvidia dominates the market with 74% and consistently dumptrucks money into ongoing R&D, ensuring they are always a step ahead.

It is good to have alternatives but AMD is constantly trailing Nvidia and much of this is seemingly by choice. They gutted the driver team years ago and never fully restaffed it. They do poor outreach with AIB partners, seem to care more about procuring supply for consoles and are consistently behind Nvidia's various software innovations. I'm not a fan of proprietary implementations from Nvidia but it's hard to argue with when they're leading the market, often 1-2 years ahead of imitation efforts that never pick up momentum. I find Nvidia a frustrating company who treats its customers dubiously but at the end of the day they deliver on features, software and performance which is all I care about on the PC side.

In the CPU market obviously it's different story, AMD has done well there and I'm using one quite happily.

Anyways it'll be nice to have a DSR implementation for the next gen consoles so I welcome the news, although on the PC side I'm not sure it means much. I wasn't a fan of DLSS 1 but DLSS 2.0 is pretty darned amazing and AMD has its work cut out for it.

BYan wrote: ↑ Can't say that's a bad move. Despite the gains PC gaming has made in the last 10ish years, consoles are still very mainstream. Between trying to break Nvidia's hold on pc gaming or basically making yourself indispensable to the next PS(x) Xbox whatever, I'm just surprised team red is still even trying - and thankful too, because true monopolies are good for nobody.

Moot point though. The chip shortage is such that upgrading/building a new PC is basically more hassle than it's worth at this point. I feel for the folks who are working with GPUs from a few generations back who can't find reasonably priced upgrade parts.

Redmask wrote: ↑ Nvidia is a company that is often hard to like.

CFRTim wrote: ↑ ATI days... good ol' All-In-Wonder 9800 and x800 XT were the days
Soon after I remember they were just notorious for running extremely hot so I switches to NVidia and never bought another ATI/AMD. However, things are changing lately, and mostly in favor of AMD

johncraven wrote: ↑ Also, AMD GPUs have better picture quality out of the box; I believe it is possible to calibrate to GeForce cards to match the quality and color, but it is non-trivial: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/n ... fferences/

Hopefully this advantage in PQ compensates for a worse DLSS implementation...

Redmask wrote: ↑ Current market price of a 3090 is the literal cost of my entire previous rig including video card, insane in the membrane.

Niklasky wrote: ↑ How is it that you can play with the same Playstation or Xbox for an entire generation (6 or 7 years), with only a minor hardware upgrade mid generation, but you've got to upgrade your GPU every two years because you can't live with performance at less than 100fps and graphics below ultra settings ?

ReeGee wrote: ↑ because with PS and Xbox last gen you were accepting a relatively low standard of quality right from the jump for the next 6-7 years with mostly low detail 1080p/30fps across the board and still missing that low metric in many games. Meanwhile I'm still playing new releases to this day at 1080p to 4K/high detail/60-120fps on a 9 year old PC from 2012 which I've upgraded twice for $100-200 and it's useful for a lot more than gaming. If I was ok with comparable PS4/X1 performance, I would've never needed to upgrade at all as it was always far better than that.

The misconception that you need to upgrade every 2 years to the latest and greatest hardware is mostly perpetuated by people with poor understanding of hardware or no context of performance metrics while the Steam hardware stats prove that the vast majority of PC gamers run on older cheap hardware.

Niklasky wrote: ↑ as I said people want high FPS, high settings, and get lured into buying 4K monitors which require a lot of horsepower to run games with decent FPS. Recently, I've been reading a lot of comments on Reddit that state the RTX3070 and its 8GB or VRAM won't be good enough to play games on ultra settings within a year or two...

Niklasky wrote: ↑ Well, that, and as I said people want high FPS, high settings, and get lured into buying 4K monitors which require a lot of horsepower to run games with decent FPS. Recently, I've been reading a lot of comments on Reddit that state the RTX3070 and its 8GB or VRAM won't be good enough to play games on ultra settings within a year or two... If you play at 4K, yeah I agree, but the RTX3070 was never marketed for 4K gaming but rather for 1440p. And for that resolution at ultra or very high graphic settings, I'm pretty sure 8GB will be more than enough for years to come, barring a few exceptions.

People get fearmongered into buying GPUs that are way more powerful than they really need. And also bragging rights. Don't underestimate bragging rights.

Now, I think that with the prices of the latest 3xxxTi GPUs, we are getting into dangerous territory for Nvidia, but also for AMD. I'm hearing increasing numbers of people saying they're going to pause their PC gaming and switch to the latest PS5 and Xbox consoles until things become more reasonable. I have to say, while the price of PC parts, and particularly GPUs and CPUs has been creeping up a lot lately, consoles have remained at pretty much the same price compared to the last generation, while offering top performance.