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Any HPE Server Pros / Admins here?

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Any HPE Server Pros / Admins here?

Looking to see if any RFD member here are experienced with servers in general, and in particular HPE servers.

Models such as the DL360/DL380 for the G7 to G9 servers.

Even Dell will be great too. Experience with management, iLO 3/4, etc.

Thanks
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What exactly do you want to know? I have deal with many HP things in my past, not so much recently, but can probably answer a bunch of questions if you have something specific.
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You should post what you're looking for. What you learn may be of benefit to others.

I've worked with the DL360/DL380 from Gen5 all the way up to G9.
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One of my daily drivers for work (software developer) is a DL380G7 in my basement...
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@Gee @eblend @KorruptioN @JustMike

Sorry, I should have been precise. Apologies in advance.

I picked up two DL380 G7s for my home lab and additionally just ordered two DL360e G8s for my home lab as well.

I am in Cyber Security as some may or may not know, and I am trying to focus on Virtualization (VMWare), Active Directory/Domain Controllers, GPOs, securing server OS, VEEAM, etc. as part of the recovery / restoration / remediation aspect.

I am not used to the iLO platform as an example and trying to figure out updating various firmware, driver updates and BIOS. I recently upgraded the iLO3 firmware for both servers and so far no issues. Just the BIOS I am a little worried about. They came with the original BIOS from 2010 and the latest BIOS is from 2018. Wanted to know if I should update the drivers for various devices and then update the BIOS or not.

One server as an example, I already installed ESXi 6.7, but I don't see a BIOS version where I could update it from a server running ESXi 6.7. The server officially supports 6.0 and there is a BIOS for that ESXi version.

Also anything I should be looking out for / watching out for.

I've purchased these from Delta Server store over in Scarborough.
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You should look for the HP Service Pack for ProLiant. It's a single image that will update ILO firmware, BIOS firmware, disk firmware, controller firmware, and more.

It's been a few years, so I don't know if the latest SPP will update a Gen7 machine. It might.

I still have a 2019 SPP ISO that might be of use to you.

You would download the ISO and mount it in ILO, and then boot. It'll give you options to see what you need to update.
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KorruptioN wrote: You should look for the HP Service Pack for ProLiant. It's a single image that will update ILO firmware, BIOS firmware, disk firmware, controller firmware, and more.

It's been a few years, so I don't know if the latest SPP will update a Gen7 machine. It might.

I still have a 2019 SPP ISO that might be of use to you.

You would download the ISO and mount it in ILO, and then boot. It'll give you options to see what you need to update.
Hmmm... I could take a look at it and check.

For mounting in iLO, would it be through the virtual media option and then logging into the Server OS to continue? I think there should be a way to do that for a server running ESXi.

I will see if there is a SPP for the DL380 G7 that is compatible as well.
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djemzine wrote: Hmmm... I could take a look at it and check.

For mounting in iLO, would it be through the virtual media option and then logging into the Server OS to continue? I think there should be a way to do that for a server running ESXi.

I will see if there is a SPP for the DL380 G7 that is compatible as well.
I've never run it in ESXi, but I have in Windows. I usually boot off it and do all the hardware patching separate from the OS.

DM me if you want that 2019 SPP.
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KorruptioN wrote: I've never run it in ESXi, but I have in Windows. I usually boot off it and do all the hardware patching separate from the OS.

DM me if you want that 2019 SPP.
I wonder if I should pop in a SSD temporarily with Windows server on it, do what I need to do. Then take out the SSD after and revert back to the SSD with ESXi 6.7

Will do. Thanks
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djemzine wrote: I wonder if I should pop in a SSD temporarily with Windows server on it, do what I need to do. Then take out the SSD after and revert back to the SSD with ESXi 6.7

Will do. Thanks
Why though? Just boot off the SPP ISO and run the updates directly from there.

What SPP will also do, I just remembered, is install relevant drivers into Windows for the machine, once the OS is installed, and you run the ISO. Not sure if ESXi will do the same.
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Yah, just grab the HP SPP for the server. It's an iso you can mount in ILO (or burn to CD for example and put it in the server cd drive if it has one) and boot off it. It will boot and scan your server for all HP components and all applicable updates, and apply them all at once. I usually do ILO patching separate from the rest as patching ILO while mounted via ILO isn't ideal (it usually disconnects and doesn't fully install all patches). The SPPs contain a tested set of firmware that will all work well together, and it's the easiest way to do it. When booting choose the interactive version so you can see everything it detects and patches, otherwise by default it's an unattended install and while still works, it doesn't give you a nice graphical interface to see all that is being patched. I always install all firmware and bios, never had any issues.

If you need SPP I can probably get you the latest version for your hardware.

Also, that gen server won't really work with ESXi 7 I don't think, it's pretty old and ESXi 7 got much more stingy with hardware compatibility.

Also, if I were you I would use the HP branded version of ESXi as it will have all the HP drivers and special plugins pre-builtin, so that within vCenter you might get more info then you would with just a standard ESXi install.

What you are planning on studying is my everyday job for last 15+ years, including even Veeam, so if you got any specific questions I can probably help out.
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YMMV on current ESXi running on that hardware.

We have ML310e Gen8 v2s that aren’t on the HCL past 6.0. DL380 G3en9 is ok yet. Google VMware hcl.

There is a pre-gen9 legacy HP 6.5 iso out there you can try. But even 6.5 is end of support in October.
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Thanks guys! @KorruptioN @eblend and @da_123

I actually picked up a Dell Power Connect 6248 switch to learn on as well. I was looking at getting a HP DL360 G9 server down the road that can support ESXi 7.0 officially per VMWare's website. A little bit more beefier in terms of CPU and RAM.

Thing is on top of recovery/restoration side of things, the VMs are also for my malware analysis, DFIR and even threat hunting using an open source tool. In client environments, we deploy this threat hunting tool on environments that have 50+ VMs running as an example.
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eblend wrote: Yah, just grab the HP SPP for the server. It's an iso you can mount in ILO (or burn to CD for example and put it in the server cd drive if it has one) and boot off it. It will boot and scan your server for all HP components and all applicable updates, and apply them all at once. I usually do ILO patching separate from the rest as patching ILO while mounted via ILO isn't ideal (it usually disconnects and doesn't fully install all patches). The SPPs contain a tested set of firmware that will all work well together, and it's the easiest way to do it. When booting choose the interactive version so you can see everything it detects and patches, otherwise by default it's an unattended install and while still works, it doesn't give you a nice graphical interface to see all that is being patched. I always install all firmware and bios, never had any issues.

If you need SPP I can probably get you the latest version for your hardware.

Also, that gen server won't really work with ESXi 7 I don't think, it's pretty old and ESXi 7 got much more stingy with hardware compatibility.

Also, if I were you I would use the HP branded version of ESXi as it will have all the HP drivers and special plugins pre-builtin, so that within vCenter you might get more info then you would with just a standard ESXi install.

What you are planning on studying is my everyday job for last 15+ years, including even Veeam, so if you got any specific questions I can probably help out.
Yeah running 6.7 so far. Seems to be operational. Will definitely reach out re VEEAM. Speaking of VEEAM, seems like one needs a backup server, backup proxy server and backup repository server? For it to function properly?
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djemzine wrote: Yeah running 6.7 so far. Seems to be operational. Will definitely reach out re VEEAM. Speaking of VEEAM, seems like one needs a backup server, backup proxy server and backup repository server? For it to function properly?
All those roles can be on the same server if you really wanted to. In our environment of 400+ production VMs we have a main backup server (windows), 2 proxy servers (windows), and 2x Linux Hardened Repositories. If it's just a home environment you will be fine with just a single VM with all of those roles on the same server.

I haven't personally done this but I know it's a thing, but you can actually run nested ESXi, which is basically ESXi within a VM. So say you have a single physical ESXi host (or hell, even Hyper-V), you can spin up multiple VMs as ESXi hosts, and then run your VMs on top of that host cluster. This way you don't have to keep buying hardware to add more cluster nodes, you can make a full multi-host cluster on a single host. Obviously this isn't something that you would ever do in a production environment, but it's something you can do easily for a home lab. This is how lots of labs that Vmware runs themselves are setup. Basically ESXi running other ESXi(s) and them VMs run on top of that.

Just throwing it out there so you don't waste too much money on physical hardware just to try vCenter and clustering stuff for ESXi for example. Good luck. Last I checked there are keygens out there for licensing stuff if you just want to play, otherwise all vmware components have a 30 days (if I recall correctly) trial so you can set everything up, test and blow away.
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eblend wrote: All those roles can be on the same server if you really wanted to. In our environment of 400+ production VMs we have a main backup server (windows), 2 proxy servers (windows), and 2x Linux Hardened Repositories. If it's just a home environment you will be fine with just a single VM with all of those roles on the same server.

I haven't personally done this but I know it's a thing, but you can actually run nested ESXi, which is basically ESXi within a VM. So say you have a single physical ESXi host (or hell, even Hyper-V), you can spin up multiple VMs as ESXi hosts, and then run your VMs on top of that host cluster. This way you don't have to keep buying hardware to add more cluster nodes, you can make a full multi-host cluster on a single host. Obviously this isn't something that you would ever do in a production environment, but it's something you can do easily for a home lab. This is how lots of labs that Vmware runs themselves are setup. Basically ESXi running other ESXi(s) and them VMs run on top of that.

Just throwing it out there so you don't waste too much money on physical hardware just to try vCenter and clustering stuff for ESXi for example. Good luck. Last I checked there are keygens out there for licensing stuff if you just want to play, otherwise all vmware components have a 30 days (if I recall correctly) trial so you can set everything up, test and blow away.
Good to know and yeah I was thinking of running nested VMs. That's how I have been doing so on my custom PC. Using VMWare workstation to create a vcenter and two esxi Hosts.

As for licensing, I was able to get an essentials license or something ( I forget which one from a SANS course I took last year). Valid for a year. I know that it doesn't include vMotion haha.

So for the SPP, from this URL: https://techlibrary.hpe.com/us/en/enter ... rsion=G7.1 it seems that the latest one for my servers is from 2017.
The 2017.04.0 SPP is the last production SPP to contain components for the G7 and Gen8 server platforms. For additional information, please refer to Reducing Server Updates.
However I see G7.1 and not G7
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djemzine wrote: However I see G7.1 and not G7
Just get the 7.1, it's the right one.

HPP put SPP behind a paywall a few years back, so unless you have support it's hard to get, but luckily people out there download these and release them to the public, here is one I found for that specific release

http://dl1.technet24.ir/Downloads/HP/Se ... PG71.3.iso

It's from this site
https://www.brainattic.org/static/hpe-spp/
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eblend wrote: Just get the 7.1, it's the right one.

HPP put SPP behind a paywall a few years back, so unless you have support it's hard to get, but luckily people out there download these and release them to the public, here is one I found for that specific release

http://dl1.technet24.ir/Downloads/HP/Se ... PG71.3.iso

It's from this site
https://www.brainattic.org/static/hpe-spp/
Thanks. I will give it a whirl today.
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eblend wrote: Just get the 7.1, it's the right one.

HPP put SPP behind a paywall a few years back, so unless you have support it's hard to get, but luckily people out there download these and release them to the public, here is one I found for that specific release

http://dl1.technet24.ir/Downloads/HP/Se ... PG71.3.iso

It's from this site
https://www.brainattic.org/static/hpe-spp/
Firefox didn't want to download this file originally due to it being "dangerous". I allowed it as an exception and the download failed at 1.4GB out of 4.8GB. Re-downloading now and it is 4.6GB completed of 4.8GB. Speed has dropped significantly. 3 hours left now lol.

Yeah can't be my ISP lol. Fibe over here.

Edit 1: Download failed again via FF at the 4.6GB mark

Edit 2: Tried via Chrome. Success. Gonna verify it first via the MD5 check sum.
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