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Anyone considering doing a 10 year fixed mortgage

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Anyone considering doing a 10 year fixed mortgage

On the Fraser valley here in Bc abbotsford, houses are selling 700,000 over property assessment. I don’t think anybody could afford to have a Mortgage rate hike. I know 10 years have not been popular. But I’m thinking maybe its on the table now and worth considering.
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5 year variable always.

Fixed rates always have padding to cover the bank.
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Super_Chicken wrote: 5 year variable always.

Fixed rates always have padding to cover the bank.
Something to consider: variable rates have historically beaten fixed rates, primarily because rates have historically gone down over time. In a market with inflation looming on the horizon like a tsunami, you may not win the day with variable. Given how low the rates are right now, the risk/reward ratio just isn't there anymore.
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It takes a lot of rate hikes for fixed to come out ahead. Even when the break-even point for the rate is reached in a rate-hike economy, it also takes quite some time (or never) for the prior savings (prior to rate% hitting break-even), to be lost. The risks of paying more overall, is still higher for fixed.
There are other benefit for variable, including the much more reasonable termination/breaking charges. I can't imaging what IRD panalty looks like on a 10-year fixed.
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This is what Garth Turner encourages his readers to do on a weekly basis and we should all listen to him because his prediction record is simply immaculate.
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RSX-S wrote: It takes a lot of rate hikes for fixed to come out ahead. Even when the break-even point for the rate is reached in a rate-hike economy, it also takes quite some time (or never) for the prior savings (prior to rate% hitting break-even), to be lost. The risks of paying more overall, is still higher for fixed.
There are other benefit for variable, including the much more reasonable termination/breaking charges. I can't imaging what IRD panalty looks like on a 10-year fixed.
Exactly.
danfromwaterloo wrote: Something to consider: variable rates have historically beaten fixed rates, primarily because rates have historically gone down over time. In a market with inflation looming on the horizon like a tsunami, you may not win the day with variable. Given how low the rates are right now, the risk/reward ratio just isn't there anymore.
I agree with you. But similar to stocks, everyone and their aunt knows that "rates are increasing". So the banks will have that priced in on their fixed rate.

Plus I'm sure the big 5 (7), all talk with the BOC to guide where the economy is heading, when the rates will be, etc. So they can adjust their fixed rates accordingly.
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Agree with the above. Fixed rarely wins even rates goes up. Rates literally got to spike overnight the day after you sign for you to lose.

That said, I find it very unlikely rate will go to previous highs. They will raise it to stamp inflation a little but given the economical and political uncertainty, it is the gov best interest to keep rates low.

One more bump on the road and North America is going negative like Europe. And you will see housing sky rocket.
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Last December I was preapproved for 2.14% for ten years. Bought a four season cottage. Put down 20%, payments are very comfortable. I would have put down a much higher DP if rates were higher. There have been two small rate increases since, but it still amounts to almost a 50% increase.

Rates can still go a lot higher than lower. The removal of risk is worth it for some situations.
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yurong wrote:
There have been two small rate increases since, but it still amounts to almost a 50% increase.

Rates can still go a lot higher than lower. The removal of risk is worth it for some situations.
Sorry 2 rates hikes since last December?
As far I recall, BOC only been dropping rates in last 12+ months...
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Sorry, Tangerine put their 10 year rate up to 2.8#% and then up again 3.09%.
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Where are you located to get a rate like 2.14?? Id break my mortgage to get that all day long..
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Dejavudiva wrote: Where are you located to get a rate like 2.14?? Id break my mortgage to get that all day long..
Tangerine in Ontario, but they are Canada wide.

https://www.tangerine.ca/en/rates/historical-rates

10 Year Fixed Mortgage

March 16, 2021 3.09%
March 3, 2021 2.84%
November 19, 2020 2.14%
September 15, 2020 2.49%
July 31, 2020 2.59%
April 25, 2020 3.09%
March 20, 2020 3.29%
March 17, 2020 2.99%
March 6, 2020 2.79%
February 20, 2020 2.99%
August 2, 2019 3.19%
June 7, 2019 3.49%
May 3, 2019 3.69%
March 26, 2019 3.79%
January 19, 2019 3.99%
November 28, 2018 4.19%
October 25, 2018 4.09%
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yurong wrote: Last December I was preapproved for 2.14% for ten years. Bought a four season cottage. Put down 20%, payments are very comfortable. I would have put down a much higher DP if rates were higher. There have been two small rate increases since, but it still amounts to almost a 50% increase.

Rates can still go a lot higher than lower. The removal of risk is worth it for some situations.
I would lock in at 2% for 10 years if I could.

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