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Attic Moisture (leak) problem

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Sr. Member
Jul 9, 2014
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Toronto, ON

Attic Moisture (leak) problem

My tenant tells me there is a problem with the attic moisture problem, and it is causing leaking.

The house is in Hamilton.
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How much cost to re-do the attic insulation? And adding some vent to allow the air ventilation.

Is there any rebate for attic insulation?

Thanks
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Deal Addict
Sep 22, 2009
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Markham
Where is the moisture coming from? Is it from the roof? Or are you venting something into the attic?
Adding insulation and not addressing where the moisture is coming from will not solve your problem.

And hard to tell from pictures. Is the baffle blocked?
[OP]
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Jul 9, 2014
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BDSL wrote: Where is the moisture coming from? Is it from the roof? Or are you venting something into the attic?
Adding insulation and not addressing where the moisture is coming from will not solve your problem.

And hard to tell from pictures. Is the baffle blocked?
I have not gone to the house to take a look yet. But here is the email from the tenant
We noticed moisture running down the walls in an upstairs closet (see pictures), which led me to open up the attic for the first time since we moved in.

It was immediately apparent that the attic is far too hot as a result of inadequate ventilation.

There are a total of 5 soffit vents (two on the front section and 3 on the back) for the whole house, and 4 roof vents (two on each the front and the back. By my calculations, that is not sufficient for the size of the attic.

Additionally, at some point someone has added additional blow-in insulation to the attic. They did not provide for the soffit vents to be free of insulation (see pictures), which has reduced air flow and contributed to the problem. There doesn't seem to be any access to the attic on the front half of the house, but based on the small amount of venting I expect similar issues are present there as well.

The attic is acting like a solar sauna, trapping moist, very hot air. This is causing the moisture problem, contributing to a mold issue (see pictures), and will certainly reduce the life of the shingles (and void any warranty) and the roof sheeting.

In the winter poor attic ventilation can cause ice damming. Luckily, we had such a mild winter that this wasn't a problem.
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Dec 31, 2007
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Just get an attic insulation company to go and inspect and quote. They will be able to tell you what needs to be done to resolve your issue.

I had pretty much the same issue, and it was due to the following:
- inadequate insulation. I changed it from R8 to R60.
- inadequate baffles that allowed for fresh air intake (which looks like from your pictures you may have). The attic insulation company installed new baffles.
- bathroom fans vented directly into the attic. I had a roofer cut 2 holes for the vents, then connected the fans directly to them to vent outside.
- vapour barrier was poorly taped at the joins. I taped them all down prior to blowing in new insulation (I had the old insulation removed).

What you want to ensure is that:
1. no moist air from livable space (ie 2nd floor/first floor) goes into the attic.
2. any moist air doesn't stay in the attic and is able to escape (good circulation between the baffles and vents).
"Buy now, think later. This is the way."
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Dec 9, 2013
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Toronto
Could be a leaky roof from all the rain.
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Oct 22, 2016
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Comox Valley
I think it is a combination of things.
You will not have that amount of moisture coming in from inadequate ventilation. In taking a quick look at photo of roof deck, that staining along plywood looks like a roof leak (ex-roofer). So first thing is get your roof looked at.

It does appear to have some mold on the roof rafters. Question is would that be from roof leak, or lack of ventilation? I think roof leak, due to the moisture coming in.

your tenant has a point about lack of soffit ventilation, and that should be addressed. For the roof vents, ask your roofer about it, and advise us the sq ft of your roof. With that we can tell you, proper amount of vents to install.

Lastly for your bathroom, and kitchen fans, where do they exhaust? At times they vent directly into the attic space. This will cause moisture issues. Not to the extend of the damage on the ceiling but should be looked in to. If you want to check it yourself, turn them on, and see where they exhaust, and go in the attic if the possibility of the exhaust piping going through there.
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Feb 5, 2006
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enwhyRFD wrote: Just get an attic insulation company to go and inspect and quote. They will be able to tell you what needs to be done to resolve your issue.

I had pretty much the same issue, and it was due to the following:
- inadequate insulation. I changed it from R8 to R60.
- inadequate baffles that allowed for fresh air intake (which looks like from your pictures you may have). The attic insulation company installed new baffles.
- bathroom fans vented directly into the attic. I had a roofer cut 2 holes for the vents, then connected the fans directly to them to vent outside.
- vapour barrier was poorly taped at the joins. I taped them all down prior to blowing in new insulation (I had the old insulation removed).

What you want to ensure is that:
1. no moist air from livable space (ie 2nd floor/first floor) goes into the attic.
2. any moist air doesn't stay in the attic and is able to escape (good circulation between the baffles and vents).
Do you mind sharing the company you used for this? I'm also in Richmond Hill and seem to have a similar issue in my attic, I'm looking at removing my old insulation, checking all the seals, and baffles and then putting in new insulation.
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Jun 22, 2004
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Toronto
I have to say your tenant is very thoughtful to give you such a detailed report of situation and even taking photos for you. A family member of mine had a similar situation and for them it was due to lack ventilation from the baffles and not enough blown in insulation. Also the rusty nail is a sign that attic moisture has caused condensation which may freeze and melt causing “attic rain” (google it) and eventual leak into your house. This maybe one of several scenarios that are affecting you as other members suggested.
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Sep 4, 2006
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Impressive email from the tenant. Simply get a company to correct the baffles and install roof vents if needed. Update to the stack type 401s if you have the flat ones.
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Dec 1, 2013
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enwhyRFD wrote: Just get an attic insulation company to go and inspect and quote. They will be able to tell you what needs to be done to resolve your issue.

I had pretty much the same issue, and it was due to the following:
- inadequate insulation. I changed it from R8 to R60.
- inadequate baffles that allowed for fresh air intake (which looks like from your pictures you may have). The attic insulation company installed new baffles.
- bathroom fans vented directly into the attic. I had a roofer cut 2 holes for the vents, then connected the fans directly to them to vent outside.
- vapour barrier was poorly taped at the joins. I taped them all down prior to blowing in new insulation (I had the old insulation removed).

What you want to ensure is that:
1. no moist air from livable space (ie 2nd floor/first floor) goes into the attic.
2. any moist air doesn't stay in the attic and is able to escape (good circulation between the baffles and vents).
I'm curious to know what the cost for all the upgrades was. I have a similar situation that I'd like to tackle in the spring. Hopefully be able to collect some greener homes rebates as part of it.
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Dec 31, 2007
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fizz wrote: Do you mind sharing the company you used for this? I'm also in Richmond Hill and seem to have a similar issue in my attic, I'm looking at removing my old insulation, checking all the seals, and baffles and then putting in new insulation.
Dealfan6 wrote: I'm curious to know what the cost for all the upgrades was. I have a similar situation that I'd like to tackle in the spring. Hopefully be able to collect some greener homes rebates as part of it.
EcoComfort Insulation
https://www.ecocomfortinsulators.ca/
Mine was around 4k.
Roof vents work (to cut and install the 2 vents) was around 600. I replaced builder fans with new bathroom fans (Panasonic Whisper Remodel) and connected the fans to the new vents myself.
I also inspected and sealed the vapour barrier myself (I just didn't trust anyone to do it since there would be no way of knowing if every hole/seam was taped).
"Buy now, think later. This is the way."
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Dec 1, 2013
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Thanks thats great, did you have the roof vents done first or second? How much of a pain was it to find a roofer for such a small job?
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Dealfan6 wrote: Thanks thats great, did you have the roof vents done first or second? How much of a pain was it to find a roofer for such a small job?
They love these jobs, quick easy money

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