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Bathroom reno - complete gut

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Bathroom reno - complete gut

Looking around seems there are a lot of good idea for renovations that internet searches don't provide, with actual experience either doing them, or hiring someone to. Wife wants to renovate the master bedroom ensuite. She saved up the money for it, and my skill set isn't in construction. Currently it's a basic ensuite with no door, builder grade from the mid 2000's.

Typical triangle jetted tub in the corner, which she hates. Takes up room, can't fill it up due to its design. Couples tub perhaps, who knows, I always thought they were stupid. With that tub, it eats up a lot of real estate, which make the shower very small. Think coffin style but a bit bigger. Have a toilet, a small vanity with one sink, and a big cupboard for storage. Builder grade tile. Has a big window in it with pebbled glass so no one can see in, and a door to the deck to deal with, so the floorplan needs to stay the same size.

We are getting 5 quotes, with our general ideas to them, and then see who suggests things we dont think of.

Changes would be.

1. Large soaker tub, non-jetted, The kind you see everywhere these days. Taps would be on the tub, not floor mounted like we have seen to keep cost down, and we really don't like the floor mounted ones anyway.
2. Sliding barn door since the entrance is so large, downsize it to a regular door would make no sense, but still give privacy
3. Heated floors. Since we have the wiring circuit for the jetted tub, thinking that circuit would work for a heated floor.
4. Bigger shower, with a door you pull open, not slide. Right now, due to the setup my wife has to duck under the upper track due to her height. Since we will have extra room removing the triangle tub, she will be able to make that bigger. Right now, it's just that acrylic base that makes noise and creaks when you are in it, probably from just being installed as fast and cheap as possible from the builder.
5. New sink, vanity, quartz top and tap
6. New taller toilet.
7. Updated storage cabinet. She liked the ones she saw for a kitchen at Ikea, had pull out drawers as well, and was that shiny white material.
8. Make it more soundproof. It shared a wall with the kitchen, so you can hear the shower, etc. What are some ideas for the shared wall to make it more sound resistant.
9. Lighted mirror, or maybe lights in the side of the mirror that can be adjusted for brightness.
10. Extra set of plug ins. Only have one right now, always seem to be unplugging something charging to use them for something else.
11. Curbless shower? Heard these can be a benefit for resell due to if you are older and cant step over. Headaches involved with that?
12. Misc fixes of cutbacks from the builder, which from living here will be plenty

- I have heard good things about the Shluter heated floors.
https://www.schluter.ca/schluter-ca/en_ ... DITRA_HEAT

- What's the best shower system for water proofing? When it comes to water, I don't want too cheap out on this,
- Currently tile floors. What's a better material than tile if any for a bathroom, or is that the best for places with wet feet, etc.
- What to watch for with contractors. What questions to ask them? What to look for in reviews? And so on
- Do I buy the things like the toilet and tub myself. I have never had to buy any of these all the year of owning homes.

I dont know if pictures are needed or not. Since I have never had to deal with a home renovation like this. Maybe some ideas we arent thinking of. Ideas that I have but are a bad idea.

Thank you
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Do you have any pics? Personally, I would sacrifice the tub for a spacious walk in shower and a double vanity for his and her. But all depends on your wants

Ditra heat (schluter) is pretty easy to install. Tile is the best, don’t do anything but tile.
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jackpie wrote: Do you have any pics? Personally, I would sacrifice the tub for a spacious walk in shower and a double vanity for his and her. But all depends on your wants

Ditra heat (schluter) is pretty easy to install. Tile is the best, don’t do anything but tile.
Not at the moment, but could supply later today.

Due to window location and deck door location on the wall, theres no way to do a double vanity. It may be able to be increased a few inches, but thats it. She does want one thats higher. And we dont want to completely reconfigure the bathroom for that and move water lines and toilets. They layout works the way it does.

I guess tile as they say is the way to go. Since the area isnt huge, extra nice stuff wont be that much more.

As for the install of the heated floor, that will be done by them. Ill have to ask if I can buy things and they install.

And a thumbs down vote? For what, I asked a question and advice
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joblo2000 wrote: Not at the moment, but could supply later today.

Due to window location and deck door location on the wall, theres no way to do a double vanity. It may be able to be increased a few inches, but thats it. She does want one thats higher. And we dont want to completely reconfigure the bathroom for that and move water lines and toilets. They layout works the way it does.

I guess tile as they say is the way to go. Since the area isnt huge, extra nice stuff wont be that much more.

As for the install of the heated floor, that will be done by them. Ill have to ask if I can buy things and they install.

And a thumbs down vote? For what, I asked a question and advice
Don't worry too much about reconfiguring water location (also easy, especially in a full gut) or toilet location (moderate difficulty... location depends on direction of your joists). You have some flexibility with the layout, dont necessarily need to do what the builder did.

definitely get a nice tile your wife likes, the heated floor will be done by them.. schluter makes a product called ditra heat which is easy to install.

also i didn't thumbs down, sorry.. might have been an accidental click. i will try to undo it
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jackpie wrote: Don't worry too much about reconfiguring water location (also easy, especially in a full gut) or toilet location (moderate difficulty... location depends on direction of your joists). You have some flexibility with the layout, dont necessarily need to do what the builder did.

definitely get a nice tile your wife likes, the heated floor will be done by them.. schluter makes a product called ditra heat which is easy to install.

also i didn't thumbs down, sorry.. might have been an accidental click. i will try to undo it
The layout wont allow for the toilet to be moved to the opposite side of the room, same as the sink. Just the way the layout is. They layout is setup as smart as it can be with the window and door. I mean sure, anything can be done if you want to pay, but this would be to much for what we would gain.

And if we did, then the other side of the room we added a double sink, we have no room for the storage cupboard she used all the time

I dont even use the bathroom anyway. I use the main bathroom for showers and getting ready. Works for us, and doesnt bother me at all since we never have to share whatever.

I dont think the thumbs down vote was you. Some people are just bitter
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joblo2000 wrote: 3. Heated floors. Since we have the wiring circuit for the jetted tub, thinking that circuit would work for a heated floor.
Is the current circuit 120v or 240v? I am not familiar with jetted tubs but I would assume 120v? Unless it is a small area, heating (including floor) usually uses 240v. If you have 120v, you won't be able to use a 240v heating floor without changing the breaker and the wire.
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JEDI Force wrote: Is the current circuit 120v or 240v? I am not familiar with jetted tubs but I would assume 120v? Unless it is a small area, heating (including floor) usually uses 240v. If you have 120v, you won't be able to use a 240v heating floor without changing the breaker and the wire.
120V, 15 amp. Guess we will see when we ask the contractor. The brochure says "Available in 120 and 240 Volt formats, the cables can be installed without returning to the thermostat and produce virtually no electromagnetic fields"

But what do I know, Im not an electrician. If they only did 240V then that would stop a lot of use for renos, since most people only have 15 or 20 amp lines. Sure news lines can be drawn, but depending on finish and location, thats not cheap.
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joblo2000 wrote: And a thumbs down vote? For what, I asked a question and advice
It might have been because of how long your post was and how hard it was to determine your actual question.
PS it wasn't me who downvoted.
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JEDI Force wrote: Is the current circuit 120v or 240v? I am not familiar with jetted tubs but I would assume 120v? Unless it is a small area, heating (including floor) usually uses 240v. If you have 120v, you won't be able to use a 240v heating floor without changing the breaker and the wire.
For what sounds like a normal sized bathroom, 120v is fine (and a Ditra option). I think the ~ 20-25 sqft system I have was rated around 150w max, so probably can coexist without a new circuit, but ultimately depends on what you already have.

When I put it in, they had different controllers. I went with the wifi enabled one (was also the most expensive option), and it's been ok. Works with Home Assistant, but drops out occasionally (and self reconnects).
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Kiraly wrote: It might have been because of how long your post was and how hard it was to determine your actual question.
PS it wasn't me who downvoted.
Maybe, but when it comes to a renovation, isnt information needed? I mean I guess thats me, give the information you have so you dont have to give it later eventually. Question was the title I assume?

But sometimes common sense isnt common these days
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Chickennbeans wrote: For what sounds like a normal sized bathroom, 120v is fine (and a Ditra option). I think the ~ 20-25 sqft system I have was rated around 150w max, so probably can coexist without a new circuit, but ultimately depends on what you already have.

When I put it in, they had different controllers. I went with the wifi enabled one (was also the most expensive option), and it's been ok. Works with Home Assistant, but drops out occasionally (and self reconnects).
I do like the idea of a smart control, as in, start at a certain time in the morning so the tile is warm for showers, etc. But then off for the day when we arent there, etc, etc. I assume as well with that you can just turn it on when you want to as well when you dont follow a schedule. As long as you dont need your phone to operate it all.
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joblo2000 wrote: Maybe, but when it comes to a renovation, isnt information needed? I mean I guess thats me, give the information you have so you dont have to give it later eventually. Question was the title I assume?

But sometimes common sense isnt common these days
It took me a lot of skimming to find your actual question: what to watch for with contractors, Do I buy the things like the toilet and tub myself. But then on a re-read, I found a few more. Whats the best shower system? and What are some ideas for the shared wall to make it more sound resistant. They were peppered in to the rest of your post, which just seemed to be listing your ideas on what you wanted. So yeah, you didn't ask "a" question, you asked three different ones which weren't exactly easy to find.
Not trying to notpick here, just trying to explain why you may have been downvoted.
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Kiraly wrote: It took me a lot of skimming to find your actual question: what to watch for with contractors, Do I buy the things like the toilet and tub myself. But then on a re-read, I found a few more. Whats the best shower system? and What are some ideas for the shared wall to make it more sound resistant. They were peppered in to the rest of your post, which just seemed to be listing your ideas on what you wanted. So yeah, you didn't ask "a" question, you asked three different ones which weren't exactly easy to find.
Not trying to notpick here, just trying to explain why you may have been downvoted.
Gotcha. I just type as I think of stuff. If this was a job interview, or an essay for something important.

I edited a bit for better flow, with all questions put together in one spot.

While this isnt happening ASAP, Id rather have some information beforehand instead of just staring blankly at a contactor and saying, ok
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if youre keeping the location of everything the same and just adding ditra heat.. it seems pretty easy.
The shower might be cramped for a tile job but if you want to keep the tub it is what it is.. put a glass door on it
you can buy your own tub/toilet/fixtures and just have them install it, its not a problem.. make sure you let them know the measurements of the vanity, and have the fixtures ready before they begin work so they create the measurements and backing for it
seems like a cookie cutter remodel
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jackpie wrote: if youre keeping the location of everything the same and just adding ditra heat.. it seems pretty easy.
The shower might be cramped for a tile job but if you want to keep the tub it is what it is.. put a glass door on it
you can buy your own tub/toilet/fixtures and just have them install it, its not a problem.. make sure you let them know the measurements of the vanity, and have the fixtures ready before they begin work so they create the measurements and backing for it
seems like a cookie cutter remodel
Vanity I wont buy, that can be a build one, or whatever they do. It has a heat duct to contend with as well at the foot kick, or whatever thats called.

The shower is being made bigger, because the triangle useless tub is being replaced with the longest soaker tub they make. My wife is 6 feet tall, and that is a 100% thing she wants. Even the tubs there are choices to make. side drain, middle drain, overflow is round, or rectangle, etc. But due to the wall and vanity, that may not be an option, unless its angled, which would make some floor space dead behind it and useless,

Cookie cutter to you maybe, to me, its for the professionals :-)
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just be careful with the tub drain. if your joists do not run the same direction as the drain (left, center, right drain) then you may have to keep the drain in the same location (unless you wanna pay extra to move all the plumbing)

Easiest / cheapest option would be the keep the drain roughly the same where it is now
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jackpie wrote: just be careful with the tub drain. if your joists do not run the same direction as the drain (left, center, right drain) then you may have to keep the drain in the same location (unless you wanna pay extra to move all the plumbing)

Easiest / cheapest option would be the keep the drain roughly the same where it is now
Thanks. Makes sense. Im not sure how it goes now, will know when things are removed. Joists are web joists however, so that means things can be fed through them with no drilling. But then again, I have no idea of thats code or not. And as well, with a finished basement celing, that would need to be access from above, I assume
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joblo2000 wrote: Thanks. Makes sense. Im not sure how it goes now, will know when things are removed. Joists are web joists however, so that means things can be fed through them with no drilling. But then again, I have no idea of thats code or not. And as well, with a finished basement celing, that would need to be access from above, I assume
that's good then, makes it easier. are you planning to pull permits for this project?
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jackpie wrote: that's good then, makes it easier. are you planning to pull permits for this project?
This will all be on the up and up. Thats on the contractor I assume to do all that. But will be one of the many questions we have.
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joblo2000 wrote: I do like the idea of a smart control, as in, start at a certain time in the morning so the tile is warm for showers, etc. But then off for the day when we arent there, etc, etc. I assume as well with that you can just turn it on when you want to as well when you dont follow a schedule. As long as you dont need your phone to operate it all.
Yes, I've set a schedule and pretty much haven't bothered to manually make any adjustments in the past 5 years.

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