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Bathroom Reno - Opinions on freestanding tubs and shower size

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Bathroom Reno - Opinions on freestanding tubs and shower size

I've started looking into a reno for my master bathroom and sketched up a plan (see below) but I am not sure about a couple of things.

Existing design:
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Sketch of reno:
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Note:
In the sketch, disregard the 3" clearance between the tub and its surrounding walls, this is going to increase to at least 4". I couldn't find an Ontario building code requirement for this, so this is per
International Residential Code: http://starcraftcustombuilders.com/bath ... .rules.htm

What I am not sure about:

1. Freestanding tub, are these really that hard to clean around? I've seen some people online suggest as much as a 1 ft of clearance all around the tub, and that anything less would make it a hassle to clean. I would think that if you left at least 4" that would be enough to squeeze a swiffer or vacuum extension into. Would we really be better off going with a built-in because of this potential problem?

2. Shower size, we want to go from a fairly small 36" x 36" neo-angle shower to a bigger shower stall, in this case something square with sliding doors to allow entry via the corner, but how much is big enough?

Had a discussion with a contractor and he initially suggested as big as 48" x 60", but we taped out those dimensions and it seemed way too big. Settled on 48" x 48" but are having second thoughts about that too now, because it could take a wall space for towel hangers and room to move around next to the freestanding tub we also plan to put in. I think the smallest we'd like to go is 42" x 42", but a middle ground would be 45" x 45" (if that is even possible).

Thanks for any input.
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When I did mine... my shower is 45x60... and I don't think it's big... seems just right.

You windows fix the tub location.
If you can change the toilet location ... push it all the way to the corner.. and you can put a double vanity.
Then you should be able to do a 60x45 shower and tub on the left side. This depends on how your toilet stack and joists are running.

If you can't change the toilet.. then put you can swap the vanity on the left with your shower... but just odd that you have vanity-toilet-vanity... May not be asthetic.

Any reason you are not putting the freestanding tub diagonally ??.
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A few inches for the tub is fine.

Ours is a clawfoot so it's a no brainer to reach under it with a vacuum or mop. But with the various dusters etc. out there even if it's a pedestal tub or whatever they call them these days, you should be able to drag a mop around the perimeter and wipe things down easily enough.
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You do have room for the tub to be on the same wall as the shower and toilet. Then you could stretch vanity/cabinets across the entire wall with windows, or leave some open space in the window corner to make getting in and out of the shower a bit more pleasant - more room.

By code you only need 30 inches of clearance for the toilet, so you have a bit of room to give up if you wanted to place the tub immediately to the right when coming in the door.

Now, if you're on an acreage and have a nice view out the windows, and they're low enough to the tub, then enjoy the view while soaking. But you also need to consider ease of operating and cleaning the windows.
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I would put the shower where the vanity is before the toilet. Put tub where shower is, but turned the other way parallel to narrow wall. Extend vanity on left to a 7’ vanity with double sinks. Maybe 6’ vanity might be better, I wouldn’t go pass window. If not too much work of course.
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TLSRULZ wrote: Any reason you are not putting the freestanding tub diagonally ??.
It's to allow for entry into the larger shower, which is the main driver for the reno. The neo-angle shower is cramped and when I take a shower, there tends to be water everywhere. So a bigger shower with glass nearly to the ceiling is our remedy for it. In order to get the bigger shower and allow for entry into it, we need to get rid of the big corner tub, which frankly we never use. My wife likes the look of the freestanding tub but I don't think we'd really use it that much either. The problem is what do you do with space with the corner tub removed other than put another tub. We wanted to minimize our costs as much as possible in this project so we are looking to salvage our existing vanities. Also, I really like their placement as-is right now. I can't make the shower extend into the windows and I'm not moving around vanities, and it seems for re-sale, having a tub can sometimes matter so I'm kind of locked into the layout.
torontotim wrote: A few inches for the tub is fine.

Ours is a clawfoot so it's a no brainer to reach under it with a vacuum or mop. But with the various dusters etc. out there even if it's a pedestal tub or whatever they call them these days, you should be able to drag a mop around the perimeter and wipe things down easily enough.
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Thanks. This is what I thought and just wanted to be sure.
torontotim wrote: You do have room for the tub to be on the same wall as the shower and toilet. Then you could stretch vanity/cabinets across the entire wall with windows, or leave some open space in the window corner to make getting in and out of the shower a bit more pleasant - more room.

By code you only need 30 inches of clearance for the toilet, so you have a bit of room to give up if you wanted to place the tub immediately to the right when coming in the door.

Now, if you're on an acreage and have a nice view out the windows, and they're low enough to the tub, then enjoy the view while soaking. But you also need to consider ease of operating and cleaning the windows.
Lol, no nice view because we're in the suburbs but there is a lot of sunlight. We put privacy screens on them to let it in. As stated above, I can't really move around things to much because I'm looking to salvage what I can or the cost will balloon. I'm removing all of the tiles, getting rid of the corner tub, moving the toilet over slightly, installing a new custom shower and freestanding tub and already getting a quote of over 10k just for the labour, so it adds up quick.
lamin wrote: I would put the shower where the vanity is before the toilet. Put tub where shower is, but turned the other way parallel to narrow wall. Extend vanity on left to a 7’ vanity with double sinks. Maybe 6’ vanity might be better, I wouldn’t go pass window. If not too much work of course.
Hmm interesting. I'll have to think about this. Only hurdle would be all of the plumbing changes due to the re-arrangement - I really don't want to do too much of that. Thanks.
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If your gutting the place... moving a few things around won't be much $$. Most of the $$ is in finishes / fixtures.

Think about it ... when it's all said and done you will be 15-18K in.... and then you don't want to regret not doing something that would give you a bigger shower.. which is why your doing it.

Anyway here is the thread to my master bath reno.
bathroom-renovation-must-haves-regrets-2296096/
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TLSRULZ wrote: If your gutting the place... moving a few things around won't be much $$. Most of the $$ is in finishes / fixtures.

Think about it ... when it's all said and done you will be 15-18K in.... and then you don't want to regret not doing something that would give you a bigger shower.. which is why your doing it.

Anyway here is the thread to my master bath reno.
bathroom-renovation-must-haves-regrets-2296096/
Thanks for the link and I get your point. The thing is I like the layout in terms of the vanities, I just don’t like the shower and the massive corner tub . Even if we got new vanities, I would like them to stay where they are. Also having the shower next to the entry would mean it could only be something less than 40” wide. There’s really one place to put it. So all in all, I’m good with the layout and the proposed sketch, just stuck on how big should the shower be in it now. Max 48 x 48, lowest is 40 x 40.
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I'd make the shower rectangular. If it's glass to the floor, which I assume, steal a few inches from the toilet, and keep the area in front of the shower as open as possible.

Unless you're doing one of those showers where you enter from the corner. If the door slides or swings on the side facing the tub, you want some breathing room between the tub and shower. So maybe 40" x 48" is the best for you.

Good for you getting rid of the neo-angle stuff. I gutted our bathroom and replaced the same style of tub with the clawfoot, but we still ended up with a neo-angle shower kit from Kohler as it just fit the best.
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torontotim wrote: I'd make the shower rectangular. If it's glass to the floor, which I assume, steal a few inches from the toilet, and keep the area in front of the shower as open as possible.

Unless you're doing one of those showers where you enter from the corner. If the door slides or swings on the side facing the tub, you want some breathing room between the tub and shower. So maybe 40" x 48" is the best for you.

Good for you getting rid of the neo-angle stuff. I gutted our bathroom and replaced the same style of tub with the clawfoot, but we still ended up with a neo-angle shower kit from Kohler as it just fit the best.
I thought we’d be stuck with a neo-angle but there are square shower stalls that open at the center, called corner view and sold at Lowe’s and Home Depot.

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Unfortunately the pre-fabricated ones are too small so we would have to make ours custom. Didn’t want to take away space from the toilet, trying to keep it at least 3 ft so it does not feel cramped while I am on the throne lol

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