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Beware of online perfume scam

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Beware of online perfume scam

Over the weekend I was looking to buy a bottle of perfume. After a quick search I wind up here:

http://www.thebay.com/webapp/wcs/stores ... 136714--25

Supposedly, I am buying a 4.3 fl Oz or 125ml bottle of perfume. The regular price is 98 $ CAN but with a fathers day discount IIRC,
the discounted price is 88.20$. On my receipt, It shows 4.3 fl Oz / 125ml

I receive in the mail a 3.4 fl Oz or 100ml bottle instead so I go to one of their stores in order to get the right format that I ordered and
paid for. Then, the most interesting thing happens:

The first lady I talk to tells me that the 4.3 fl Oz format doesn't exist in store and she proceeds to
send me to another customer service desk. That one sends me to another desk to another floor, continuously bouncing me back from floor to floor.

I finally snap and ask to speak to a supervisor in order to get a refund. The employee refunding me tells me that they -employees of the store- don't work for online. What she fails to understand is that from a customer's perspective, I don't care. It's the same company and on my receipt, it is mentioned
that I can go to a store to get a refund.

At the end I figured out that on the website, the customer believes that he/she is buying:
a 125ml bottle discounted at 88.20$ but in reality, they are buying a 100 mil bottle whose regular price is 88.20$.

They trick you.

It would have been nice to have a discount but I would have bought it at regular price anyways. What I don't appreciate is being played like a fool.
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The people online obviously messed up. They reversed the numbers and should have put 3.4 oz. The description of the cologne on HBC.ca says 100 ml but the black button below the description says 125 ml. It happens. After doing a Google search all I am able to find are 3.4 oz bottles. So, obviously it's not a scam. Saying "100 mil bottle whose regular price is 88.20$" is completely wrong.

Sure, it sucks because you thought you were getting 4.3 oz of cologne but it's not the end of the world. Just return it and go look for something else.
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Seijuro wrote: The employee refunding me tells me that they -employees of the store- don't work for online. What she fails to understand is that from a customer's perspective, I don't care. It's the same company and on my receipt, it is mentioned
that I can go to a store to get a refund.
The customer never cares. Who knows how often they do online returns in-store. I'd probably be more patient with the in-store employees. In big box stores there is always a disconnect between the B&M stores with the online counterparts. It's not isolated to The Bay.

For the spec error online, they should be correcting it ASAP and you are probably just as effective at notifying their online department as the physical store employees are.
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Yeah, 'Error' might be a bit better word to use here than 'Scam'. Mistakes happen, and it sucks when they happen to you, but doesn't sound like they're out to try and scam people.
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I would have checked to see if they even carry the size you think you're getting elsewhere, like on Sephora, where I was able to easily tell that Kenzo only comes in 3.4

http://www.sephora.com/pour-homme-P0999 ... grid:p0999

If I am ever unsure about the product descriptions online, I find the equivalent product on a different site and cross reference. Sucks that you had to experience that....I'm definitely not defending the crappy error on the Bay's part.
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Gmas wrote: Yeah, 'Error' might be a bit better word to use here than 'Scam'. Mistakes happen, and it sucks when they happen to you, but doesn't sound like they're out to try and scam people.
How long do you allow "error" to be "error" before declaring that it really is a scam, since there is no intent to correct the web page?
How long does it take for them to correct a web page normally? Perhaps I am speaking too soon...perhaps not.

Another great reason why I NEVER order anything online and ALWAYS go to the actual store in person to see what I am buying before actually paying for it.
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Seijuro wrote: Over the weekend I was looking to buy a bottle of perfume. After a quick search I wind up here:

http://www.thebay.com/webapp/wcs/stores ... 136714--25

Supposedly, I am buying a 4.3 fl Oz or 125ml bottle of perfume. The regular price is 98 $ CAN but with a fathers day discount IIRC,
the discounted price is 88.20$. On my receipt, It shows 4.3 fl Oz / 125ml

I receive in the mail a 3.4 fl Oz or 100ml bottle instead so I go to one of their stores in order to get the right format that I ordered and
paid for. Then, the most interesting thing happens:

The first lady I talk to tells me that the 4.3 fl Oz format doesn't exist in store and she proceeds to
send me to another customer service desk. That one sends me to another desk to another floor, continuously bouncing me back from floor to floor.

I finally snap and ask to speak to a supervisor in order to get a refund. The employee refunding me tells me that they -employees of the store- don't work for online. What she fails to understand is that from a customer's perspective, I don't care. It's the same company and on my receipt, it is mentioned
that I can go to a store to get a refund.

At the end I figured out that on the website, the customer believes that he/she is buying:
a 125ml bottle discounted at 88.20$ but in reality, they are buying a 100 mil bottle whose regular price is 88.20$.

They trick you.

It would have been nice to have a discount but I would have bought it at regular price anyways. What I don't appreciate is being played like a fool.

Just returned the "scam" product. If you can return the item and get your money back, then that does not qualify as "scam".


Ps. The employee at the store did "scam" you when she said "The employee refunding me tells me that they -employees of the store- don't work for online" that seems to imply she don't do refunds for online purchases.

The Bay returns policy clearly said items purchased online can be returned to any Bay store.
http://www.thebay.com/webapp/wcs/stores ... urnPolicy1

Items purchased online can be returned to any Bay store or shipped back to our warehouse. Shipping fees apply to items returned by mail unless the item was damaged or broken, or the wrong item was sent.
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Don't think they were trying to scam you but most likely an error. That said, the lady that told you can't get a refund is either lieing or she's new.

Edit: just checked they have this written:

A cool wind blows over blue bamboo. KENZO HOMME, a woody marine fragrance built around water and the color blue, is an architectural reconstruction of nature. This unique and timeless fragrance contrasts fresh marine notes and powerful woods.
Subtle, marine; Recommended for day wear or a casual night out; Iodine notes blended with floral sea sprays; 100ml
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fboybcb wrote: Edit: just checked they have this written:

A cool wind blows over blue bamboo. KENZO HOMME, a woody marine fragrance built around water and the color blue, is an architectural reconstruction of nature. This unique and timeless fragrance contrasts fresh marine notes and powerful woods.
Subtle, marine; Recommended for day wear or a casual night out; Iodine notes blended with floral sea sprays; 100ml
The write up is correct, but everything after that is still wrong, and it continues to be wrong.
Under the write up it clearly reads "125ml $98"
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playnicee1 wrote: The write up is correct, but everything after that is still wrong, and it continues to be wrong.
Under the write up it clearly reads "125ml $98"
Yes I see that but as I mentioned it might be just an honest error. Nonetheless they should fix it to avoid problems like this.
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fboybcb wrote: Yes I see that but as I mentioned it might be just an honest error. Nonetheless they should fix it to avoid problems like this.
Honest error? I ask again, how long does it take to correct an honest error? Let's see if this ever gets corrected...
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I wouldn't consider this to be scam, rather, more likely it's a case of Hanlon's Razor.
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inkjoy wrote: Ps. The employee at the store did "scam" you when she said "The employee refunding me tells me that they -employees of the store- don't work for online" that seems to imply she don't do refunds for online purchases.
How do you draw the two connections? The employee DOESN'T "work for online". They work at store level. I'm pretty sure the employee said that because the OP was complaining about the error and the employee was just explaining to him that they don't have the direct power to fix the website error.
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A frustrating experience for sure. Have you tried to contact the Bay's online customer service? It's particularly tricky in your case because there's no pricing error (so they cannot honour the price error) and the larger volume bottle doesn't exist, so they cannot exchange it for you.

The people at the store level would only be able to refund it - what else could they do?

For bigger companies, the online portion is often disconnected from the store level. A large number of stores do not even deal with online purchase refunds or exchange (Le Chateau).
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So you ordered something and in the end it wasn't what you ordered... But wow they scammed you so bad since you know, they took theproduct back.
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playnicee1 wrote: How long do you allow "error" to be "error" before declaring that it really is a scam, since there is no intent to correct the web page?
How long does it take for them to correct a web page normally? Perhaps I am speaking too soon...perhaps not.
Unless someone actually let them know, the error continues to be an error. Instead of just snapping at some random employee as OP said they did, perhaps they should have phoned the online customer service to let them know of the issue.
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XtremeModder wrote: So you ordered something and in the end it wasn't what you ordered... But wow they scammed you so bad since you know, they took theproduct back.
Exactly. The OP most likely went to the fragrance department wanting to exchange the bottle she got for the bottle that she thought she was getting. The problem is that The Bay couldn't give her something that doesn't exist. A customer that is unsatisfied with that response would be sent to customer service for them to deal with. Same thing - same response. The only options available are for the OP to either keep the product or have the product refunded. As long as the OP had her receipt, she would just receive the refund.

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