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Bell Home Hub 4000 into bridge mode

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Bell Home Hub 4000 into bridge mode

Does anyone know how to turn the Home Hub 4000 into bridge mode? I would like to use my own router
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kiasu wrote: Does anyone know how to turn the Home Hub 4000 into bridge mode? I would like to use my own router
Not possible, you need to setup DMZ or do a PPPoE bypass

Help with PPPoE Bypass Through into Bridge mode on Bell H4000
https://forums.redflagdeals.com/help-pppoe-bypassthrough-into-bridge-mode-bell-h4000-2475401/

Solved: Home Hub 4000 with an existing home LAN - Bell
https://forum.bell.ca/t5/Internet/Home- ... N/td-p/534

When will Bell add 'Bridge Mode' feature to HH4000 (don't give the band-aid DMZ solution!)
https://forum.bell.ca/t5/Internet/When- ... e/td-p/705


Hub 4000 bridge mode
https://www.reddit.com/r/bell/comments/ ... idge_mode/
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It's called PPPoE passthrough. It's equivalent to cable modem bridge mode except your HH4k stays as a router and gets it's own IP. Bell and other companies allow for more than one PPPoE sessions, so your router will get it's own IP and will not depend on your Home Hub except for its connection to the network. You need to disable wifi and whatever else can be disabled on the HH4k and just stop using it and use your router instead. You won't be double-NATted. I haven't checked but it looks like the links above should provide some guidance.
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Gee wrote: What features does your own router provide that is missing in the Home Hub 4000?
As far as I know all the modem router combo from ISP sux...lack of features compare to Asus router with full features esp you are using Merlin
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Not sure what speed you have but you can remove the SFP module from the HH4000 and use a media converter with your own router. This method removes the HH4000 from the network.

I was using a HH3000 and found it to be very stable and WiFi was pretty good.
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audit13 wrote: Not sure what speed you have but you can remove the SFP module from the HH4000 and use a media converter with your own router. This method removes the HH4000 from the network.

I was using a HH3000 and found it to be very stable and WiFi was pretty good.
only 50Mbps..LOL...

media converter? i am new to that...any more info to share?
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so after watching and reading some info online, basically disable all the wifi on HH4K? should i disable the DHCP too?
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audit13 wrote: Not sure what speed you have but you can remove the SFP module from the HH4000 and use a media converter with your own router. This method removes the HH4000 from the network.

I was using a HH3000 and found it to be very stable and WiFi was pretty good.
If you had the HH4000, you would know the SFP module is integrated. The fibre cable connects directly to the modem.




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Dhanushan wrote: If you had the HH4000, you would know the SFP module is integrated. The fibre cable connects directly to the modem.




from Bell HomeHub 4000 Tear Down and Review from an IT admin
https://www.reddit.com/r/bell/comments/ ... rom_an_it/

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I didn't know the sfp module was built in. I have the hh3000. Couldn't the op buy a module to use with the fibre cable?
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kiasu wrote: so after watching and reading some info online, basically disable all the wifi on HH4K? should i disable the DHCP too?
No, don't disable DHCP just in case you need it later. The idea is not to use the HH4k as a router and disable wifi, so nobody gets access to it. The rest doesn't really matter. And don't enable DMZ for security reasons.
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audit13 wrote: https://www.amazon.ca/TP-Link-MC220L-Co ... C66&sr=8-5

This allows you to bypass the Bell modem/router assuming you have FTTH.
Dhanushan wrote: If you had the HH4000, you would know the SFP module is integrated. The fibre cable connects directly to the modem.




from Bell HomeHub 4000 Tear Down and Review from an IT admin
https://www.reddit.com/r/bell/comments/ ... rom_an_it/

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So mean cant remove? I guess
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alpovs wrote: No, don't disable DHCP just in case you need it later. The idea is not to use the HH4k as a router and disable wifi, so nobody gets access to it. The rest doesn't really matter. And don't enable DMZ for security reasons.
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kiasu wrote:
As far as I know all the modem router combo from ISP sux...lack of features compare to Asus router with full features esp you are using Merlin
Everyone says that, but no one has every specified a feature that they need that is missing in the ISP router

I don’t use the Home Hub 4000, but I have the Home Hub 3000 and yes it is not perfect, in fact I find the interface clunky. But it has enough features that I don’t require an alternate router
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Gee wrote: Everyone says that, but no one has every specified a feature that they need that is missing in the ISP router

I don’t use the Home Hub 4000, but I have the Home Hub 3000 and yes it is not perfect, in fact I find the interface clunky. But it has enough features that I don’t require an alternate router
Where do I start? I use pfSense, maybe not a typical router. But I use fail-over, fail-back to another line/cell, traffic shaper to eliminate bufferbloat, schedules and rules to block Roblox and YouTube for kids at certain times, redirect any DNS queries to SmartDNS servers for geolocation in certain apps, builtin Dynamic DNS, static DHCP, NTP, static routes for easy access to modems in bridge mode. There is a builtin unbound but I use it on my pi-holes. I used to use builtin OpenVPN selectively for certain hosts but stopped using it as I don't need it anymore. There is a Wireguard package. I find the traffic shaper and automatic failover most useful. I use only a fraction of what's possible. I want to try Suricata or Snort when I find time to play with them. And I use a separate Ubiquiti AP for WiFi.
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@alpovs

You’re preaching to the choir. I also use pfSense

I will throw this back at you. How many people you think will do what you’re doing?

My argument is that people that want to trade an ISP router for a consumer router is wasting their time. There are no significant features that a consumer router will offer that is missing from an ISP router.

Granted @kiasu is using third party firmware (Merlin) and it will offer more features, I asked what specifically is missing from the Home Hub 4000 that he can find in Merlin. I doubt he is using anything specific to Merlin

The second problem as you and I both know is that these cheap consumer routers are way under powered to properly support third party firmware feature sets. These consumer routers are probably less powerful than your cell phone.

I use pfSense to manage my VLANs, and a whole host of other things. I have 4 WAN ports setup. You have very specific use too. That is fine. But 99% of the population thinks that the ISP router is inadequate for their needs and they don’t know why other than someone told them that it sucks
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Gee wrote: @alpovs

You’re preaching to the choir. I also use pfSense

I will throw this back at you. How many people you think will do what you’re doing?

My argument is that people that want to trade an ISP router for a consumer router is wasting their time. There are no significant features that a consumer router will offer that is missing from an ISP router.

Granted @kiasu is using third party firmware (Merlin) and it will offer more features, I asked what specifically is missing from the Home Hub 4000 that he can find in Merlin. I doubt he is using anything specific to Merlin

The second problem as you and I both know is that these cheap consumer routers are way under powered to properly support third party firmware feature sets. These consumer routers are probably less powerful than your cell phone.

I use pfSense to manage my VLANs, and a whole host of other things. I have 4 WAN ports setup. You have very specific use too. That is fine. But 99% of the population thinks that the ISP router is inadequate for their needs and they don’t know why other than someone told them that it sucks
I want to do more but I dont have time yet..like to look into it...right now I am just doing some simply port forwarding..etc

so mind to share why use pfSense? like pro and con? what do ppl use pfSense for main purpose?
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