Sony A80J 55" $1999 / 65" $2599 / 77" $3999 (Costco, BestBuy, Visions, and others) - Expired

hv6478 wrote: ↑ I imagine very few people are in this camp. With the right factors, you could, perhaps, be better off with the X90J. But OLED is one of those "once you go OLED you can't go back" type of things for, I would say, almost everyone who buys one.

I recommend trying them out from a place that has easy returns and deciding that way. You probably still have some time this year to do that dance.

All the best.

Bitoshi wrote: ↑ The only reasons I could imagine that happening is if you get really annoyed with ABL, you can't stand the stutter that comes with OLED's instantons response time, or you're worried about burn-in.

I had an X950G for nearly two years before replacing it with this A80J. The A80J is vastly superior in terms of PQ imo, the only downside is that it's not as bright.

guallox wrote: ↑ This is what I need to hear. So you do see a big difference ?

3bdullahibra wrote: ↑ Costco hates me That’s for the 65” right?

guallox wrote: ↑ I already have the A80J and love it. But cause I jumped from a 2011 Sony 1080p. I just never gave a chance to the X90j which was my original plan. Like I love my oled but i mostly stream from Netflix and never got to try anything else to compare so of course I’m impressed

Bitoshi wrote: ↑ The best way I could describe is that OLED gives you a 3D, sharp, uniform, life-like image whereas the X950G produced a 2D, soft, dull image. I noticed a big difference when watching the display in a dark room*.

If you compare them both in a bright room** the X950G looks just as good or even slightly better, but in a darker room there's not contest, the X950G looks terrible in comparison.

The X950G has tons of blooming (light leakage around bright objects like sub-titles) and "grey" blacks. The viewing angles are also terrible and cause the edges of the display to look washed out even when viewing the tv straight-on. Also, Sony LEDS have vignetting around the corners which can be fairly annoying.

The main advantages the X90J would have is that it's slightly brighter in HDR, much brighter in SDR (since it doesn't have ABL), and doesn't experience burn-in.

*My "dark room" is my bedroom with 1 small window.
**My "Bright Room" is my living room with 6 large windows each getting direct sun-light.

manho wrote: ↑ Slightly off topic... would anyone be able to chime in if the Sanus SLF226-B3 Full Motion Mount at $139 from Costco would be any good for my precious A80J 65"? Any other mount that may be good from Costco.ca? I have the $350 online voucher from the black friday deal that I can use. I need something that can swivel left and right.

thanks in advance.

Bitoshi wrote: ↑ It's not too bad, but you could probably bring them down more on the warranty. For a $2400 TV the lowest they would probably go is ~$200 I imagine (depends on the sales rep or manager).

For example, some people got the 65" A8H at $1999 along with the 4 year warranty for $150 a month ago. YMMV. If they won't budge try and find another sales rep/manager or you could try a different store.

ElProfessor wrote: ↑ About to return my 65" LG C1 for an A80J instead. I don't know why, but I think the a80j looked better in Best Buy but it's possible they just had a nicer demo video.

Anyone in Vancouver want my unopened 65" lg c1? I paid $2200ish taxes already included.

snoshy wrote: ↑ Costco delivered the A80J today, and I now have the 65 C1 and 65 A80J side by side. I've (amateurly) calibrated the white point and color as close as possible to each other. Side by side, they've got to be almost 97% the same. After watching almost all the reviews, I expected the A80J to come out ahead in all SDR/HDR/DV movie PQ tests (I don't game). However, to my surprise, the C1 actually seemed to just have the slightest amount more pop, depth, and color vibrancy. But again.... they're like 98% the same picture and I am really really nitpicking.

I'm leaning towards return the A80J, but it's a really hard choice. The Google TV OS on the A80J is better than the LG webOS, but I'm not sure it's $100 better. The remote on the A80J is also better than the C1, but also not $100 better. The C1 screen is thinner and the back panel is less bulk too.

Disclaimer: My C1 has about 100 hours of break in, while the A80J has 1 hour

snoshy wrote: ↑ Costco delivered the A80J today, and I now have the 65 C1 and 65 A80J side by side. I've (amateurly) calibrated the white point and color as close as possible to each other. Side by side, they've got to be almost 97% the same. After watching almost all the reviews, I expected the A80J to come out ahead in all SDR/HDR/DV movie PQ tests (I don't game). However, to my surprise, the C1 actually seemed to just have the slightest amount more pop, depth, and color vibrancy. But again.... they're like 98% the same picture and I am really really nitpicking.

I'm leaning towards return the A80J, but it's a really hard choice. The Google TV OS on the A80J is better than the LG webOS, but I'm not sure it's $100 better. The remote on the A80J is also better than the C1, but also not $100 better. The C1 screen is thinner and the back panel is less bulk too.

Disclaimer: My C1 has about 100 hours of break in, while the A80J has 1 hour

snoshy wrote: ↑ Costco delivered the A80J today, and I now have the 65 C1 and 65 A80J side by side. I've (amateurly) calibrated the white point and color as close as possible to each other. Side by side, they've got to be almost 97% the same. After watching almost all the reviews, I expected the A80J to come out ahead in all SDR/HDR/DV movie PQ tests (I don't game). However, to my surprise, the C1 actually seemed to just have the slightest amount more pop, depth, and color vibrancy. But again.... they're like 98% the same picture and I am really really nitpicking.

I'm leaning towards return the A80J, but it's a really hard choice. The Google TV OS on the A80J is better than the LG webOS, but I'm not sure it's $100 better. The remote on the A80J is also better than the C1, but also not $100 better. The C1 screen is thinner and the back panel is less bulk too.

Disclaimer: My C1 has about 100 hours of break in, while the A80J has 1 hour

snoshy wrote: ↑Costco delivered the A80J today, and I now have the 65 C1 and 65 A80J side by side. I've (amateurly) calibrated the white point and color as close as possible to each other. Side by side, they've got to be almost 97% the same. After watching almost all the reviews, I expected the A80J to come out ahead in all SDR/HDR/DV movie PQ tests (I don't game). However, to my surprise, the C1 actually seemed to just have the slightest amount more pop, depth, and color vibrancy. But again.... they're like 98% the same picture and I am really really nitpicking.

I'm leaning towards return the A80J, but it's a really hard choice. The Google TV OS on the A80J is better than the LG webOS, but I'm not sure it's $100 better. The remote on the A80J is also better than the C1, but also not $100 better. The C1 screen is thinner and the back panel is less bulk too.

Disclaimer: My C1 has about 100 hours of break in, while the A80J has 1 hour

Bitoshi wrote: ↑
If you noticed the C1 having more pop it could be that you're viewing it in a brighter room. The A80J's semi-matte coating will reduce contrast in comparison the the C1's glossy coating when more ambient light is present. In a dark room both should look nearly identical.

I compared my 65" A80J and 55" C1 side-by-side myself as well, and I agree they look basically identical 95% of the time. However, after a few more weeks of comparing them, I'm starting to notice the differences more and more. I noticed the A80J has better screen uniformity and I prefer the remote, OS, and the picture quality. Motion handling seems slightly more natural, colors in HDR pop slightly more, and the picture looks sharper/more detailed. At first I didn't like the extra detail/sharpness since I thought it was un-natural, but it's starting to grow on me.

One thing I noticed in particular is that the A80J seems to maintain color saturation in HDR for certain colors much better. For example, when playing God Of War on my PS5 I noticed that fire tends to looks slightly purple/pinkish on the C1 compared the vibrant, saturated red I get on my A80J. I believe Vincent Teoh on HDTVtest mentioned this as well, and it has to do with how Sony deals with white sub-pixel dilution in HDR (Sony uses less white sub-pixel boosting in HDR which results in less color de-saturation).

The other problem I have with the C1 is that it's factory calibrated with LG's HDR tone-mapping turned on. This is a problem because you need to turn this off to have correct gamma and colors in HDR. With HDR tone-mapping turned off the gamma curve becomes slightly boosted at the lower end resulting in black crush. The A80J's factory calibration is already accurate resulting in less black crush and shadow detail loss. This is unfortunate since the C1 can actually achieve better shadow detail than the A80J after professional calibration.

I also noticed that my C1 emits a buzzing noise from the power supply while in stand-by (fairly common on LG OLED's), and the power cable is not detachable which concerns me if it ever gets damaged. I also appreciate the A80J's better build quality. With the C1 I sometimes worry that it's flimsy screen might get damaged someday.

I've decided to return my 55" C1 once my 55" A80J arrives.

snoshy wrote: ↑ ...
I'm leaning towards return the A80J, but it's a really hard choice. The Google TV OS on the A80J is better than the LG webOS, but I'm not sure it's $100 better. The remote on the A80J is also better than the C1, but also not $100 better. The C1 screen is thinner and the back panel is less bulk too.

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SPARTACVS wrote: ↑ Wow, the Sony remote don't impress me at all. Feels a bit cheap for a 2500$ TV. There's not even backlight.