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Bitcoin trading journal: quest for 16 doubles

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Bitcoin trading journal: quest for 16 doubles

I am posting this thread to log my Bitcoin transactions. I intially bought about 20 dollars worth of bitcoins (0.1 bitcoin) on a lark and for coffee money on November 1st and sold it for over 2.5 times the money CDN today.

A rough calculation tells me that if I roughly double my money a total of 15 to 16 times starting from the beginning, it will exceed one million dollars.

An analysis of bitcoin's expected performance is based on these observations:

1. Bitcoins have no intrinsic value
2. Bitcoins have appreciated exponentially over the past few years and particularly over the past few months
3. There is a limited total number of Bitcoins now and for the future
4. Anyone (or any country) could make their own digital currency, using the exact same algorithm as Bitcoin uses, and it would be equally as legitimate, or illegitimate, as Bitcoin is. I could take the Bitcoin software, rename my new currency Bitcoin Junior, and there is no reason other than herd behaviour why it should not be as valuable as Bitcoin. So although the total number of Bitcoins is limited, the total potential number of cloned Bitcoin currencies is infinite.
5. A change in government regulations could immediately make the value of Bitcoins zero, at any time.
6. Past experience shows that people will buy into a bubble (gold, real estate, Dutch tulips, tech stocks etc.) just because the price is going up. Most of them are financially illiterate.
7. Bitcoins are currently a little hard to buy - you have to jump through a few hoops to set up an account, transfer money, etc. It is getting easier to buy as time goes on, so the number of people able to buy Bitcoins will go up
8. Due to the limited number of Bitcoins, relatively illiquid market, and investor greed and stupidity, the value of Bitcoins has fluctuated wildly over brief periods of time. For example in the past week or two I have seen intraday price swings of 20% to 30%.
9. A few wealthy people and institutions such as hedge funds may be accumulating Bitcoins. Since the market is illiquid, they will not be able to buy or sell any large amount of Bitcoins without moving the price. This will give an edge to the small investor.
10. The majority of Bitcoin trading appears to come from the US and China, two nations not exactly known for free transparent markets or sophisticated investors.
11. Previous speculative bubbles (Bre-x, the tech bubble, gold, or the current real estate bubble) have continued for long after a reasonable investor (ie. me) would have thought the bubble would have burst.

Based on all the above it looks to me that the Bitcoin bubble will continue quite likely into the thousands of dollars per Bitcoin, with huge volatility from hour to hour and day to day, but overall going up until a final tumultuous crash, whereupon everybody will be quite surprised, until the next speculative bubble (perhaps a currency, metal, quantum bandwidth licensing rights, or an obscure stock in some foreign country) becomes the investment du jour. Anyway since my initial investment was $22.46, and I have spent decades being a long-term careful and methodical investor, the plan is to take advantage of price volatility and general investor retardation to change my $22.46 into a million dollars. If I fail I have lost nothing, and if I succeed it won't make much difference either, other than a bunch of numbers on a computer screen.

Anyway here is my trading log, all the numbers include 1.5% trading commission and all values are in Canadian dollars:

November 1st 2013: purchased 0.1 Bitcoin (via Interac payment to QuickBT.com) and transferred the 0.1 Bitcoin to my Blockchain wallet.

November 18th 2013: Bitcoin price exceeds $800.00 on some exchanges, I would like to sell my 0.1 Bitcoin, but there is a delay in transferring it. Contrary to the reported 1 hour transfer time, it takes over one day to transfer the Bitcoin to my trading account and by then the price has gone down. Lesson learned, keep my Bitcoin and/or cash balance in the trading account at all times

November 20th 2013: Sold my 0.1 Bitcoin for $58.78, and entered a limit order to buy 0.131 Bitcoins at $442.00
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Interesting journal.
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What trading account are you using?
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RandomCDN wrote: What trading account are you using?
I'd like to know this as well.

Part of my problem with this whole BItCoin "market" is that there are so many hundreds of millions of dollars flowing through these trading firms that are TOTALLY UNREGULATED. If Mt Gox. went bankrupt tomorrow for some reason, or their founders shut the doors and fled to <random country>, any funds sitting in their accounts would be unrecoverable for all intents and purposes. So then, you usually want to pull your profits out ASAP after the trade.. but like you said above, the transactions can be slow.
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Anyone can make there own Bit Coin,,, We could make a RFD COIN

whos in?
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OP. Can you provide more detail on how to setup an account to acquire bitcoins?
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pignchick wrote: OP. Can you provide more detail on how to setup an account to acquire bitcoins?
On the VirtEx website. Please note I have no affiliation with this company and I agree that any and all of these unregulated bitcoin trading sites could disappear with no recourse to the investor. Don't invest anything more than spare change.

On thinking more about the future of Bitcoin, it seems certain that within 10 years there will be official national digital currencies. If done right, this would have a lot of advantages to governments:

1. Prevention of counterfeiting
2. Easy to keep track of taxation
3. Avoiding the expense of minting coins or printing paper currency
4. A traceable way to prevent fraud, corruption, drug dealing etc.
5. Hands-on real-time monitoring of the economy instead of relying on unreliable abstract statistics and indicators

Once the U.S. government prints its digital currency (and I am sure digital will replace paper currency, just like e-mail has replaced regular mail), there will be no reason for merchants or consumers to want to participate in Bitcoin, with all its risks and volatility. Therefore the end value of Bitcoin will be zero, once national digital currencies are established.

But in the meantime, selling at $588.00 looks like a bad decision with Bitcoin now at $675.00
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Are you level 1 or level 2 verified on Virtex ?
How many days did it took to get verified ?

Thanks.
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Ahzuz wrote: Are you level 1 or level 2 verified on Virtex ?
How many days did it took to get verified ?

Thanks.
Unverified. It didn't require any verification to buy 0.1 Bitcoin. There was no time delay to buy the Bitcoin.
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Own one bitcoin, purchased for $187 about 12 weeks ago... I have a feeling bitcoins will be trading at $6000 to $10000 within 18 months, after which they will collapse, and settle in around the $3000 mark, give or take
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trilinearmipmap wrote: On thinking more about the future of Bitcoin, it seems certain that within 10 years there will be official national digital currencies. If done right, this would have a lot of advantages to governments:

Once the U.S. government prints its digital currency (and I am sure digital will replace paper currency, just like e-mail has replaced regular mail),
I think you are over-complicating it. There is no reason that a digital dollar would eliminate todays dollars. Your bills all already have inidividual serial numbers. You could in theory make a system today where you could take paper money and desposit it into a digital wallet of some kind, destroying the paper money in the process and moving it into the digital world. And then if you wanted to take your digital money and make it physical, you visit some kind of bank of canada ATM and withdraw your dollars back into plastic. It is totally possible to have digital currency without getting rid of the dollar.

This isn't the same as bitcoin though, bitcoin was made to be a currency that was not bound to a nation and that would not devalue with inflation. The problem is it was designed by computer scientists and not economists because an economist would have told them WHY it is important to have national currencies and inflation.
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Maybe it's just me but I've only seen one site that takes bit coin as payment for a VPN service. I hardly see the point in the currency and am not really sure how it is even worth real money... But that's me, wasn't there bit coin farming devices where you could use your computer to make them yourself? I get the tin foil hatters don't want to be watched by big brother, but is it actually true that the currency is used for a lot of illegal activity?
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how are things working out for you op? things like what you are trying to accomplish has been tried, I'm curious to know if you can pull it off.
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brunes wrote: I think you are over-complicating it. There is no reason that a digital dollar would eliminate todays dollars. Your bills all already have inidividual serial numbers. You could in theory make a system today where you could take paper money and desposit it into a digital wallet of some kind, destroying the paper money in the process and moving it into the digital world. And then if you wanted to take your digital money and make it physical, you visit some kind of bank of canada ATM and withdraw your dollars back into plastic. It is totally possible to have digital currency without getting rid of the dollar.
It could be even less complicated than that. You could take your paper currency to a building (we'll call them banks) and they would take it and record it in a wallet (or account) without destroying it. They could just put is in a big secure box (or vault). And then if you wanted to take your account money in physical form you could return to that building or even machines sprinkled all over the planet, enter a PIN and convert the dollars in your wallet/account into physical form. Totally possible without bitcoins. :D
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Bitcoin only is what it is today because money launderers find it useful.
That's my belief as I can't think of any other reason as to why it is appreciating so quickly.
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just saw Richard Branson on CNBC this morning say that Virgin Galactic now accepts bitcoins as method of payment lol

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