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May 22, 2020
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Windsor ,ON

Building a deck

Hello, what constructive solution to get plz , i'm scratching my head searching the internet, reading the building code. I linked a photo, i have this kind of door expanding outside the wall and an entrance to basement in same area complicating things. Should i use ledger board or posts near wall,plz?
I would appreciate any tips,plz !
All the best !
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Aug 29, 2019
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I have a question for anybody familiar with the building code, if op were to make a ground level deck under 107sft and less than 24" above grade and a set of stairs coming down from his patio door of say 5 risers and 5 treads onto said ground level deck, would the stairs need a building permit even if the deck doesn't?
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hermit50 wrote: Hello, what constructive solution to get plz , i'm scratching my head searching the internet, reading the building code. I linked a photo, i have this kind of door expanding outside the wall and an entrance to basement in same area complicating things. Should i use ledger board or posts near wall,plz?
I would appreciate any tips,plz !
All the best !
This situation is terrible! The more I look at this photo, the more I scratch my head. Who would come up with something like this? You could extended the deck to cover basement entrance (like roof), but that door is sticking up! I don't like the idea of ending the deck by the brick wall over the steps, because if someone falls over deck railing, most likely will die on those concrete steps. Relocation of AC unit, or bringing it up on the deck, would give you some room on the right side. The best option - buy better/longer step ladder Grinning Face With Smiling EyesGrinning Face With Smiling Eyes
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If there's no door directly onto the deck, just build a platform deck.
Most municipalities don't require a permit. Plus no ledger board is required, the deck "floats", so no digging 4' holes for sonotubes, no railing required if under 24"
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Aug 29, 2019
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MrFrugal1 wrote: If there's no door directly onto the deck, just build a platform deck.
Most municipalities don't require a permit. Plus no ledger board is required, the deck "floats", so no digging 4' holes for sonotubes, no railing required if under 24"
That's my view as well but, he would need steps to get in and out the patio door. Could he make a small landing and stair of about 5 stringers and treads and attach that to the floating deck without a permit?
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Katedontbreak wrote: I have a question for anybody familiar with the building code, if op were to make a ground level deck under 107sft and less than 24" above grade and a set of stairs coming down from his patio door of say 5 risers and 5 treads onto said ground level deck, would the stairs need a building permit even if the deck doesn't?
Check with your municipal office. Most follow provincial code, which differ slightly province to province
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Aug 29, 2019
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MrFrugal1 wrote: Check with your municipal office. Most follow provincial code, which differ slightly province to province
I'm assuming op is in Ontario? I'm curious to know this answer as well.
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I would use a deck on sonotubes vs connecting to house. But then again, that is always my answer.
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May 22, 2020
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Windsor ,ON
Katedontbreak wrote: I'm assuming op is in Ontario? I'm curious to know this answer as well.

Thx for your replies, yes i live in Windsor ,Ontario.
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I would go with a small 4'x4' deck in front or door, then steps down to ground level deck on footings starting in front of the basement entrance retaining wall. Leave all that space behind as a junk/ storage area. Permit would be required
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Drthorne wrote: I would go with a small 4'x4' deck in front or door, then steps down to ground level deck on footings starting in front of the basement entrance retaining wall. Leave all that space behind as a junk/ storage area. Permit would be required
Would the permit be required because of the stairs or the grade to the basement being over 24"?
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Katedontbreak wrote: Would the permit be required because of the stairs or the grade to the basement being over 24"?
According to the City of Windsor's website, this project requires a permit since the deck would be over 10 m2. They don't mention height above grade requirements.
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Drthorne wrote: According to the City of Windsor's website, this project requires a permit since the deck would be over 10 m2. They don't mention height above grade requirements.
There are ways for him to get around the size requirement if he does a ground level deck, such as make 2 platorms next to each other or a small deck and then a patio. My particular question though is the stairs. He definately needs stairs to access the deck from his house. If he made a freestanding deck right up to his house and a small 5 riser step attached to the deck, would it need a permit? I know that main entrance stairs are subject to permits but this is obviously a secondary door as there's no step or landing there currently.
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hermit50 wrote: Thx for your replies, yes i live in Windsor ,Ontario.
Do yourself a favour as an RFD Newbie and update your profile so it shows that
(See how mine says Eastern Ontario under my User Name)
Less headaches / back & forths
And misunderstandings going forward on the forums
As this is a Canada wide website
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May 22, 2020
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Windsor ,ON
PointsHubby wrote: Do yourself a favour as an RFD Newbie and update your profile so it shows that
(See how mine says Eastern Ontario under my User Name)
Less headaches / back & forths
And misunderstandings going forward on the forums
As this is a Canada wide website
Got it, thanks.
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PointsHubby wrote: Do yourself a favour as an RFD Newbie and update your profile
You can forgive the newbies. My pet peeve are the veterans on this site that refuse to update their profile.
[OP]
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May 22, 2020
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Windsor ,ON
Drthorne wrote: I would go with a small 4'x4' deck in front or door, then steps down to ground level deck on footings starting in front of the basement entrance retaining wall. Leave all that space behind as a junk/ storage area. Permit would be required

Thank you , i'm not looking to avoid building permit or inspections , i would like to build a modest size deck at floor level for easy safe in and out access and stairs to backyard . I was thinking to do it myself , i have tools and some experience in carpentry , not decks. This raised ranch is built with bay windows/ door which are cool but a bit more headache when have to put a deck around. I noticed that tutorials from Lowe's, Home deport even Mike Holmes are suggesting to go for free standing, avoid ledger board for the risk of water infiltration even if are built and isolated properly.
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Aug 29, 2019
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hermit50 wrote: Thank you , i'm not looking to avoid building permit or inspections , i would like to build a modest size deck at floor level for easy safe in and out access and stairs to backyard . I was thinking to do it myself , i have tools and some experience in carpentry , not decks. This raised ranch is built with bay windows/ door which are cool but a bit more headache when have to put a deck around. I noticed that tutorials from Lowe's, Home deport even Mike Holmes are suggesting to go for free standing, avoid ledger board for the risk of water infiltration even if are built and isolated properly.
In your case, you should go freedstanding because your home is brick veneer.
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Katedontbreak wrote: There are ways for him to get around the size requirement if he does a ground level deck, such as make 2 platorms next to each other or a small deck and then a patio. My particular question though is the stairs. He definately needs stairs to access the deck from his house. If he made a freestanding deck right up to his house and a small 5 riser step attached to the deck, would it need a permit? I know that main entrance stairs are subject to permits but this is obviously a secondary door as there's no step or landing there currently.
Stairs with more than 3 risers would require a permit, and these would need to be attached to the house.
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Aug 29, 2019
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Drthorne wrote: Stairs with more than 3 risers would require a permit, and these would need to be attached to the house.
Nice to know, can you reference the code for this so I can read it?

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