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AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D $469. 99

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Sep 29th, 2022 11:22 am

nevyn1234: Sr. Member; Nov 28, 2017; 803 posts; 815 upvotes

Sep 29th, 2022 11:22 am

The new generation is coming out.

Now, I would argue it is still generally a fairly good time to build or especially upgrade with this if already on an AM4 platform. Very good performer in gaming and AM4/DDR4 cheaper to build on than the new stuff, so if you are unlikely to build on AM5 and then upgrade by 2025ish, there is a value argument to be made.

But still, as new chips are coming out, pretty decent chance the price of this could be dropping further.

Sep 29th, 2022 11:26 am

SwaunyJones: Deal Addict; Apr 17, 2011; 1930 posts; 2225 upvotes; Toronto

Sep 29th, 2022 11:26 am

what mobos would you great people recommending for this? you know to last for awhile and somewhat future proof your setup..

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Sep 29th, 2022 11:27 am

vonblock: Deal Fanatic; Aug 29, 2011; 5157 posts; 3434 upvotes; Westmount (Montreal)

Sep 29th, 2022 11:27 am

EmpressLisaSu wrote: ↑ It's the 1080TI of CPUs.
If you hunt for sales you can get:

Budget B550 for ~$80
Budget 32 GB of 3600 Mhz CL18 RAM for ~$110-$120 (depending on if you want to pay the RGB tax)
Slot in the 5800x3d for $480
Slot in a 6650XT at the new lower MSRP or wait for RDNA3, and you've got a killer system for cheap.

I spent $80 on my MSI B550M Pro VDH WIFI mobo and got the 5800x3d with the amazon new business account discount and I couldn't be happier. With my 6800XT it's pretty much a long term 1440p machine.

We're at the beginning of the phase where AMD and Intel are gonna go HAM with innovation due to competition. Rocketlake and Zen 4 are already neck and neck. Buy the older system now that's on par with next gen Zen 4 gaming performance, hold out for like 5-7 years, and reap the benefits when inevitably one company completely dominates the other and starts being lazy again with innovation, and buy a system AFTER the innovation rocket loses steam.

Why would you buy a 480$ CPU and put a cheap GPU and call that a gaming PC?

Since when the CPU is more important than the GPU in gaming?

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Sep 29th, 2022 11:31 am

EmpressLisaSu: Deal Addict; Oct 1, 2020; 1075 posts; 2797 upvotes

Sep 29th, 2022 11:31 am

vonblock wrote: ↑ Why would you buy a 480$ CPU and put a cheap GPU and call that a gaming PC?

Since when the CPU is more important than the GPU in gaming?

Cuz RDNA3 and Lovelace is literally 1 to 2 months away? Grab one of those when they're out and the 6650 can be kept as a back up or resold for minimal loss. Meanwhile, 6650 can keep you gaming while you try to get next gen GPU, which you are not guaranteed to get day one. Might take a month of supply is bad. Or alternatively if people are okay with used cards, could also get used 3080ti and skip this gen GPU. Maybe I should have explained why grab a 6650.

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Sep 29th, 2022 11:40 am

MakeMeKing: Newbie; May 30, 2020; 15 posts; 16 upvotes

Sep 29th, 2022 11:40 am

Sorry bit confused why was the chart sent earlier wrong by Intel? Newbie here.

Sep 29th, 2022 12:09 pm

FlukeSkywalker: Deal Addict; Oct 22, 2012; 1754 posts; 1013 upvotes

Sep 29th, 2022 12:09 pm

So this price is the cheapest I could find in North America brand new as the next cheapest price is $365 USD at Newegg.com. For a guy that only plays 6-8 hours of games per week, it's still a bit too pricey but I'll bite if the price drops to $450 - $475 CAD taxes included. Also hoping that AMD's next Gen video cards crushes everything which may result in some killer Black Friday/Christmas deals on existing Gen.

Sep 29th, 2022 12:11 pm

AutiieMaleak: Newbie; Dec 4, 2018; 21 posts; 3 upvotes

Sep 29th, 2022 12:11 pm

Is this a worth upgrade from a 5600x

Sep 29th, 2022 12:12 pm

FeralWalrus: Sr. Member; Mar 3, 2018; 689 posts; 536 upvotes

Sep 29th, 2022 12:12 pm

SwaunyJones wrote: ↑ what mobos would you great people recommending for this? you know to last for awhile and somewhat future proof your setup..

I was pretty happy with the MSI B550 Pro VDH WiFi for my wife’s build. It was cheap but did okay in hardware unboxed’s B550 VRM roundup.

Nothing AM4 is really going to future proof your setup unfortunately. A 5800X3D is likely the best CPU that socket is ever going to get.

Sep 29th, 2022 12:13 pm

dbcanuck: Member; May 26, 2013; 262 posts; 415 upvotes; MISSISSAUGA

Sep 29th, 2022 12:13 pm

based on the AMD reveals this week, the 58003XD is a great 'end of generation' CPU for AM4, and will be competitive -- especially for gaming -- for 3-5 years minimum.

You'll save money on the motherboard, ram, and the CPU is competitively priced. Its also better than current gen consoles by a large margin, which will be the floor for most video game development for the next few years.

AM5 / 7xxx series AMD won't leave you with buyers remorse, now that we know what it is.

Sep 29th, 2022 12:14 pm

TheAccountant: Sr. Member; May 14, 2013; 635 posts; 1113 upvotes; RFD

Sep 29th, 2022 12:14 pm

vonblock wrote: ↑ Why would you buy a 480$ CPU and put a cheap GPU and call that a gaming PC?

Since when the CPU is more important than the GPU in gaming?

I'd argue that there are many types of "Gaming".
If you are multi-boxing MMO's or running VMs, bots and macros, CPU is the bottleneck. You want as many cores and highest multithreading performance as possible, while a mid level GPU is usually sufficient because everything is usually rendered at low quality and low resolutions.

Sep 29th, 2022 12:19 pm

FeralWalrus: Sr. Member; Mar 3, 2018; 689 posts; 536 upvotes

Sep 29th, 2022 12:19 pm

AutiieMaleak wrote: ↑ Is this a worth upgrade from a 5600x

Probably not unless the games you play have you heavily CPU bound in some way, i.e your a competitive CS GO player who needs every last frame.

For a production build you would be better off with a part with more cores, but there may be some use cases that benefit from the extra cache.

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Sep 29th, 2022 12:24 pm

nivek_k2020: Deal Addict; Feb 14, 2010; 1222 posts; 952 upvotes; The Great North

Sep 29th, 2022 12:24 pm

AutiieMaleak wrote: ↑ Is this a worth upgrade from a 5600x

Try using this site below to check what your system bottleneck is.
https://pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/

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Sep 29th, 2022 12:29 pm

Loomy: Deal Addict; Jan 13, 2003; 2831 posts; 2643 upvotes

Sep 29th, 2022 12:29 pm

FeralWalrus wrote: ↑ Probably not unless the games you play have you heavily CPU bound in some way, i.e your a competitive CS GO player who needs every last frame.

Actually CSGO isn't helped by this chip! But meanful improvements are found in racing, flying, and MMO games. More: canada-computers-amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-47 ... #p36605512

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Sep 29th, 2022 12:39 pm

vonblock: Deal Fanatic; Aug 29, 2011; 5157 posts; 3434 upvotes; Westmount (Montreal)

Sep 29th, 2022 12:39 pm

EmpressLisaSu wrote: ↑ Cuz RDNA3 and Lovelace is literally 1 to 2 months away? Grab one of those when they're out and the 6650 can be kept as a back up or resold for minimal loss. Meanwhile, 6650 can keep you gaming while you try to get next gen GPU, which you are not guaranteed to get day one. Might take a month of supply is bad. Or alternatively if people are okay with used cards, could also get used 3080ti and skip this gen GPU. Maybe I should have explained why grab a 6650.

Oh ok

That make sense now.

Sep 29th, 2022 12:43 pm

weales: Sr. Member; Feb 22, 2006; 622 posts; 237 upvotes

Sep 29th, 2022 12:43 pm

vonblock wrote: ↑ Since when the CPU is more important than the GPU in gaming?

MMO's for sure if you're into large raids, GPU can only handle so much.

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Sep 29th, 2022 1:27 pm

EmpressLisaSu: Deal Addict; Oct 1, 2020; 1075 posts; 2797 upvotes

Sep 29th, 2022 1:27 pm

vonblock wrote: ↑ Oh ok

That make sense now.

Yeah, I also have the experience of buying a 6800XT for my previous i7-3770k system. Sure, the 3770k SEVERELY bottlenecked the current 6800XT, but it could be argued when the i7-3770k first launched, it could have been viewed as "overkill" for GPUs at that time. But the i7-3770k allowed me to still game respectably, even playing Cyberpunk2077, and I basically waited until prices got cheap to build my new system (ie: Waited and lucked out through the Amazon Business discounts of 25% off $1000 and the -$200 off $500 discounts)

Same thing with the 5800X3D. Could use this for 5-7 years +, slot in a super overpowered 10800XT or 8090TI or whatever, and at that point the 5800X3D becomes severely underpowered, actually. But it will still allow you to game respectably as you wait for the perfect opportunity to enter the market again to buy the next PC.

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Sep 29th, 2022 7:17 pm

DealinDirty: Newbie; Feb 23, 2021; 64 posts; 179 upvotes; Toronto

Sep 29th, 2022 7:17 pm

codex119 wrote: ↑ 11900k performed worse than a 10900k and was basically a space heater that ran lava hot

Performed worse in what? I said for gaming, not productivity tasks. You’re uninformed due to all the negative publicity it got for its having two less cores then the previous generation while costing more I believe. If you check gaming benchmarks, you’ll see the 11900k was usually 5-10 fps more than the 10900k with a few exceptions where they were even.

I said it was not going to be a popular suggestion, due to all the misinformation people have about it’s gaming capabilities

Sep 29th, 2022 7:21 pm

DealinDirty: Newbie; Feb 23, 2021; 64 posts; 179 upvotes; Toronto

Sep 29th, 2022 7:21 pm

hystavito wrote: ↑ An i7-12700F (no graphics) is also $420 and also comes with Call of Duty, would it be faster than an i9-11900?
https://www.newegg.ca/intel-core-i7-127 ... -_-Product

If you don’t need graphics and the cost for the motherboard isn’t too bad, I’d say 12700f. It could get expensive if you go with ddr5 but you get newer tech. FPS difference in games probably wouldn’t be a dealbreaker but pcie 5.0 and ddr5 is the future

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Sep 29th, 2022 11:05 pm

RockoS: Newbie; Jun 25, 2022; 18 posts; 61 upvotes

Sep 29th, 2022 11:05 pm

People are finally realizing just how good the 3D v-cache is after seeing Ryzen 7000 and Raptor lake slightly improve or even undercut the 5800x3d. It was actually at 500 for quite a while 2 months back and no one bought it. Everyone was comparing it to the 5800x which was only 330 (ATL?) and the 5700x which was 270 (ATL) or the 5900x which was 440 (ATL). Happy to see people finally picking it up.

Sep 29th, 2022 11:19 pm

FeralWalrus: Sr. Member; Mar 3, 2018; 689 posts; 536 upvotes

Sep 29th, 2022 11:19 pm

DealinDirty wrote: ↑ Performed worse in what? I said for gaming, not productivity tasks. You’re uninformed due to all the negative publicity it got for its having two less cores then the previous generation while costing more I believe. If you check gaming benchmarks, you’ll see the 11900k was usually 5-10 fps more than the 10900k with a few exceptions where they were even.

I said it was not going to be a popular suggestion, due to all the misinformation people have about it’s gaming capabilities

In many cases it performed nearly the same as a 10900 on gaming.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/inte ... 0k/24.html

https://www.techspot.com/review/2222-in ... i9-11900k/

Given that we’re in an age where a $320 to $390 CPU will match or exceed it while also being far more power efficient, what is the advantage of buying a rocket lake CPU unless your already on something like a Z490 motherboard? Even a 5600 will get close to an 11900 in gaming while only costing $190.

I own a 10850K but I certainly don’t advocate other people buy them new in box for the same price as a Zen 3 or Alder Lake CPU.

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