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AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D $469. 99

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Hmm seriously considering this, but currently have a 5800x....
Playing a few games, including Microsoft Flight Simulator..
Is it worth upgrading from 5800x to 5800x3d for MSFS? (Estimating a 250$ upgrade gap assuming I can resell the 5800x in the 300$ range from Marketplace average price)
Bottleneck calculator shows a 10.8% CPU bottleneck
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Yragorn wrote: Hmm seriously considering this, but currently have a 5800x....
Playing a few games, including Microsoft Flight Simulator..
Is it worth upgrading from 5800x to 5800x3d for MSFS? (Estimating a 250$ upgrade gap assuming I can resell the 5800x in the 300$ range from Marketplace average price)
Bottleneck calculator shows a 10.8% CPU bottleneck
MSFS could get 30% faster. Just google for benchmarks, or read https://tinyurl.com/5800Xvs5800X3D
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I actually need the 5800X3D v-cache for highly physics latency sensitive application, but 7000 series v-cache version is so close by now, I will just wait.
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Installed the 5800X3D last night and its a huge improvement over my 3600. I play a lot of planetside 2 these days (pretty CPU intensive game) and my FPS barely wavers from the 120FPS cap.
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Verdic wrote: I'm waiting for the 5600 to go on sale again and buying that. For me it is a no brainer. (or if that sells out, wait for 12400F to go on clearance)

I mean it is going to depend on how much you actually tinker with your hardware. I am way too old to be messing with it, I just buy it and keep it for 3-5 years and just buy a new one.

5600 has been going on sale for like $180, Versus Zen4 (7600x) and 5800X3D, that translates into 10% loss in gaming performance for less than 1/2 of the price.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd- ... 0x/20.html

And that's only for the CPU. You also save a lot of $ on cheaper motherboard, cheaper ram and cheaper (smaller) power supply. Overall you are probably like paying 1/3 of the price of a Zen4 setup (even after prices stabilize). Putting that money towards a GPU is a much more effective way of getting better performance since that is normally the bottleneck anyway.

I guess the caveat is what you play as well and at what resolution. I use 1440p but if you go 4k then CPU virtually does not matter at all since it's all GPU. If you do need a fast CPU for intensive productivity related things then that is a good reason to pay up, but you will not notice a difference on MS Office or web surfing.

I remember back in the day before everything got reviewed to death (and everyone got paid a cut to refer you to a website) you would just pick your budget and go with it. Now people pontificate over countless charts, chasing some little bar that is a little bit higher than another one. Unless you are tweaking your rig a ton and competing for benchmarks and such you really will not notice a difference. CPUs have long passed the 'it is so fast it doesn't really matter' point - like upgrading to the latest phone that is supposedly much faster but still feels the same.
Not sure if anyone replied to you buy the 5600 is on sale for 179 with on Canadacomputers with a 10$ coupon right now. Listed at 189
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Best cpu before they release 3d for 7 series, but 7 series uses ddr5... So best cpu for ddr4
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Yragorn wrote: Hmm seriously considering this, but currently have a 5800x....
Playing a few games, including Microsoft Flight Simulator..
Is it worth upgrading from 5800x to 5800x3d for MSFS? (Estimating a 250$ upgrade gap assuming I can resell the 5800x in the 300$ range from Marketplace average price)
Bottleneck calculator shows a 10.8% CPU bottleneck
5800x is now selling for $339 New at Canada Computers (when you apply the $10 coupon)
https://www.canadacomputers.com/product ... _id=183431
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Yragorn wrote: Hmm seriously considering this, but currently have a 5800x....
Playing a few games, including Microsoft Flight Simulator..
Is it worth upgrading from 5800x to 5800x3d for MSFS? (Estimating a 250$ upgrade gap assuming I can resell the 5800x in the 300$ range from Marketplace average price)
Bottleneck calculator shows a 10.8% CPU bottleneck
It kind of depends on how much MSFS you play. There’s a few other games like Spider Man that are also very CPU dependent as well that can also benefit from an X3D chip.

The majority of titles will find you GPU bound however, so you’re likely a little better off putting that cash towards a GPU upgrade unless you’re effectively maxed out on that front.
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FeralWalrus wrote: It kind of depends on how much MSFS you play. There’s a few other games like Spider Man that are also very CPU dependent as well that can also benefit from an X3D chip.

The majority of titles will find you GPU bound however, so you’re likely a little better off putting that cash towards a GPU upgrade unless you’re effectively maxed out on that front.
I forked out the cash for the 6900xt hahaha
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Yragorn wrote: I forked out the cash for the 6900xt hahaha
Then yeah the only sensible upgrade paths out from where you are are a 5800x3d/Zen 4/Raptor Lake and/or a 4000 series/RDNA3 and up.

Your build absolutely slaps as is, so outside of a few titles at least with GPUs you can buy today any additional money spent will have diminishing returns.
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I pulled the trigger and upgraded to this from my 5800x.

Normally I'm reasonably frugal with PC upgrades like this, but a few factors came in to play:
-end of the AM4 line, 5800x3d is the best gaming CPU on the platform
-cost to upgrade to AM5 is heavy between RAM, motherboard, and the new chips, not to mention it's work to build out
-my existing rig with 5800x, strix 3080, 32gb DDR is performing well enough
-5800x3d is discounted and may well sell out. Maybe it's on black friday sale, but maybe not

Performance is improved very modestly at the top end, but as an enthusiast gamer there is a significant improvement in overall smoothness due to 1% lows / cache. CPU heavy games are hugely improved, e.g. x4, starcraft 2

I sold my old 5800x cheap for $250, which went same day to a nice buyer after 2yrs of use. Cost to me for the new chip was about $250, and even if upgrading from the 5800x I would recommend it if the money isn't too much of an issue. If you have a slower CPU definitely consider it.

Only downside is heat, my 240mm AIO hit 90C on cinebench r23 before I recurved the radiator fans from silent to balanced. I won't bother picking up a 280mm or 360mm AIO but I also wouldn't aircool the 5800x3d personally.
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JamesJ25765 wrote: I pulled the trigger and upgraded to this from my 5800x.

Normally I'm reasonably frugal with PC upgrades like this, but a few factors came in to play:
-end of the AM4 line, 5800x3d is the best gaming CPU on the platform
-cost to upgrade to AM5 is heavy between RAM, motherboard, and the new chips, not to mention it's work to build out
-my existing rig with 5800x, strix 3080, 32gb DDR is performing well enough
-5800x3d is discounted and may well sell out. Maybe it's on black friday sale, but maybe not

Performance is improved very modestly at the top end, but as an enthusiast gamer there is a significant improvement in overall smoothness due to 1% lows / cache. CPU heavy games are hugely improved, e.g. x4, starcraft 2

I sold my old 5800x cheap for $250, which went same day to a nice buyer after 2yrs of use. Cost to me for the new chip was about $250, and even if upgrading from the 5800x I would recommend it if the money isn't too much of an issue. If you have a slower CPU definitely consider it.

Only downside is heat, my 240mm AIO hit 90C on cinebench r23 before I recurved the radiator fans from silent to balanced. I won't bother picking up a 280mm or 360mm AIO but I also wouldn't aircool the 5800x3d personally.
This 500 ? So not worth.i am using 5800x ,too. If I have to pay around 500, I will choose 13700k, it is 579 preorder . Yes I know it is 100 more. But, worth the upgrade. Base 5800x3d don't have ingrate graphics card, so 13700kf is 549. Just 70 dollars. Being redflager is great, but not all discounted product are worth.
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JamesJ25765 wrote: I pulled the trigger and upgraded to this from my 5800x.

Normally I'm reasonably frugal with PC upgrades like this, but a few factors came in to play:
-end of the AM4 line, 5800x3d is the best gaming CPU on the platform
-cost to upgrade to AM5 is heavy between RAM, motherboard, and the new chips, not to mention it's work to build out
-my existing rig with 5800x, strix 3080, 32gb DDR is performing well enough
-5800x3d is discounted and may well sell out. Maybe it's on black friday sale, but maybe not

Performance is improved very modestly at the top end, but as an enthusiast gamer there is a significant improvement in overall smoothness due to 1% lows / cache. CPU heavy games are hugely improved, e.g. x4, starcraft 2

I sold my old 5800x cheap for $250, which went same day to a nice buyer after 2yrs of use. Cost to me for the new chip was about $250, and even if upgrading from the 5800x I would recommend it if the money isn't too much of an issue. If you have a slower CPU definitely consider it.

Only downside is heat, my 240mm AIO hit 90C on cinebench r23 before I recurved the radiator fans from silent to balanced. I won't bother picking up a 280mm or 360mm AIO but I also wouldn't aircool the 5800x3d personally.

You should be using PBO Tuner 2 to fix the temperatures: https://github.com/PrimeO7/How-to-under ... PBO2-Tuner

apply -30 on every core

should be stable for most samples as these are PERFECT 5800x silicon and you should be getting lower temps than before (hell, my 5800x3d is cooler than the 5600x I upgraded from)

This dropped my temps by nearly 15-20c and I got more performance in Cine23.
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I read some comments on how a 5800x is overkill and a 5700x is quite comparable at a much lower price. I was able to snag a 5700x recently from Amazon at $245.70. This will be my final CPU upgrade for the next 5 years. Is it worth paying extra for this CPU with the 3D cache? I only game at 1080P with a RTX 3060 TI and want to reduce micro-stuttering and smooth out game play.
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Qndydsb wrote: This 500 ? So not worth.i am using 5800x ,too. If I have to pay around 500, I will choose 13700k, it is 579 preorder . Yes I know it is 100 more. But, worth the upgrade. Base 5800x3d don't have ingrate graphics card, so 13700kf is 549. Just 70 dollars. Being redflager is great, but not all discounted product are worth.
Anyone on AM4 is well served with a 5800x3d upgrade, if you can afford it. Its $250 if you sell your old 5800x cheap, and will hold you over for at least another generation even in VR/1440p+ applications.

If you are building a new rig from the ground up obviously you are going to use current gen DDR5 and spend much more money with marginal (at best) gaming performance improvement.
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gbx555 wrote: You should be using PBO Tuner 2 to fix the temperatures: https://github.com/PrimeO7/How-to-under ... PBO2-Tuner

-30 C all cores

should be stable for most samples as these are PERFECT 5800x silicon and you should be getting lower temps than before (hell, my 5800x3d is cooler than the 5600x I upgraded from)

This dropped my temps by nearly 15-20c and I got more performance in Cine23.
Thanks, this is great advice and I've been considering firing up PBO and setting a windows task on startup
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sputnik99112 wrote: I read some comments on how a 5800x is overkill and a 5700x is quite comparable at a much lower price. I was able to snag a 5700x recently from Amazon at $245.70. This will be my final CPU upgrade for the next 5 years. Is it worth paying extra for this CPU with the 3D cache? I only game at 1080P with a RTX 3060 TI and want to reduce micro-stuttering and smooth out game play.
The 1% low improvements I got from 5800x->3d were significant and noticeable in some games (x4, sc2, borderlands 3, rdr2), but if you are already stretching your budget I wouldn't worry about it.

$245 for a 5700x is a great deal. Stuttering can be caused by so many variables that the CPU might not even address them. Sometimes it's your hard drive/SSD or RAM, others it's background software, and sometimes it's just poor engine optimization.
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JamesJ25765 wrote: Anyone on AM4 is well served with a 5800x3d upgrade, if you can afford it. Its $250 if you sell your old 5800x cheap, and will hold you over for at least another generation even in VR/1440p+ applications.

If you are building a new rig from the ground up obviously you are going to use current gen DDR5 and spend much more money with marginal (at best) gaming performance improvement.
I wont pay same thing twice...So not worth. Basically they are same thing. I can afford 13700kf and b660 or z690, but I can not afford using 5800x3d to replace 5800x...So bad idea... maginal benefit so little...Why buy another 5800x if I already have one...Even it is 3d, it is still 7nm and zen3, for this little upgrade ?No. I upgraded my CPU every new launch.Had 1700, 3700x and 5800x, but not 5800x3d.Zen 4 is a garbage btw, it can not even beat 5800x3d. I am not buying amd this gen..13700kf at 549 is so good, worth the upgrade, not 5800x3d at 479..For the performance difference, compare to 13700kf, I think 5800x3d and 5900x should no more than 400. But no matter what price is, I won't pay same thing twice.
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Qndydsb wrote: I wont pay same thing twice...So not worth. Basically they are same thing. I can afford 13700kf and b660 or z690, but I can not afford using 5800x3d to replace 5800x...So bad idea... maginal benefit so little...Why buy another 5800x if I already have one...Even it is 3d, it is still 7nm and zen3, for this little upgrade ?No. I upgraded my CPU every new launch.Had 1700, 3700x and 5800x, but not 5800x3d.Zen 4 is a garbage btw, it can not even beat 5800x3d. I am not buying amd this gen..13700kf at 549 is so good, worth the upgrade, not 5800x3d at 479..For the performance difference, compare to 13700kf, I think 5800x3d and 5900x should no more than 400. But no matter what price is, I won't pay same thing twice.
You can't afford a $250 upgrade but can afford a $1.5k for cpu/ram/mobo? What?
Anyways, it appears his points all flew right over your head.
He's talking about a $250 upgrade for those who don't want a new system and you're talking about a whole system build, apples to oranges bud.

If you don't see the value in that very case specific upgrade then the idea clearly is not for you.

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