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Canada considers you vaccinated if you have Astra, Pfizer, Moderna, J&J?

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Canada considers you vaccinated if you have Astra, Pfizer, Moderna, J&J?

I've stated in other threads that I'm not comfortable not knowing the rules for future travel...so to be on the "safe" side, I've waited for Pfizer and I'm waiting for my second dose of Pfizer.

The link below is Canada's most current policy as of July 5th...ie they only you as being vaccinated if you have a CDN approved vaccine. Not sure why they're not going the route of WHO approved vaccines/policy.

Problem: If Canada does not accept other countries list of acceptable vaccines...is it possible/likely other countries will not accept ours?
Eg. US has not approved Astra => could they restrict ppl who have Astra?
The US generally doesn't advise mixing vaccines...will they accept Astra + something else? Will they accept Moderna/Pfizer?
Is Canada not going to accept Chinese ppl with Sinovac vaccine?


Cut and pasted from https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/trave ... mine-fully

Determine if you’re fully vaccinated
To be considered fully vaccinated, you must:

be eligible to enter Canada
have received the full series of an accepted COVID-19 vaccine or a combination of accepted vaccines
have received your last dose at least 14 days prior to the day you enter Canada
Example: if your last dose was anytime on Thursday July 1st, then Thursday July 15th would be the first day that you meet the 14 day condition
upload your proof of vaccination in ArriveCAN
Accepted vaccines:

Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine
Moderna COVID-19 vaccine
AstraZeneca/COVISHIELD COVID-19 vaccine
Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) COVID-19 vaccine - single dose

Vaccines not currently accepted for fully vaccinated status in Canada:

Bharat Biotech (Covaxin, BBV152 A, B, C)
Cansino (Convidecia, Ad5-nCoV)
Gamalaya (Sputnik V, Gam-Covid-Vac)
Sinopharm (BBIBP-CorV, Sinopharm-Wuhan)
Sinovac (CoronaVac, PiCoVacc)
Vector Institute (EpiVacCorona)
Other
The list of accepted vaccines may expand in the future.

If you received your vaccines outside Canada, it’s still accepted but proof of vaccination must be uploaded digitally in ArriveCAN and must only be in French or English, or certified translation into French or English.
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No, there is no merit to countries denying tourists long-term based on the vaccine the tourist received. Australia's number one tourist base is from China. Australia has only approved Pfizer and AZ, neither of which are being distributed in China currently. If anyone believes Australia will shut their doors to China in the long-term they are absolutely mad. This is but one example to illustrate how ludicrous it would be, and would decimate tourism industries if continued long-term.
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gr8dlr wrote: I've stated in other threads that I'm not comfortable not knowing the rules for future travel...so to be on the "safe" side, I've waited for Pfizer and I'm waiting for my second dose of Pfizer.

The link below is Canada's most current policy as of July 5th...ie they only you as being vaccinated if you have a CDN approved vaccine. Not sure why they're not going the route of WHO approved vaccines/policy.

Problem: If Canada does not accept other countries list of acceptable vaccines...is it possible/likely other countries will not accept ours?
Eg. US has not approved Astra => could they restrict ppl who have Astra?
The US generally doesn't advise mixing vaccines...will they accept Astra + something else? Will they accept Moderna/Pfizer?
Is Canada not going to accept Chinese ppl with Sinovac vaccine?


Cut and pasted from https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/trave ... mine-fully

Determine if you’re fully vaccinated
To be considered fully vaccinated, you must:

be eligible to enter Canada
have received the full series of an accepted COVID-19 vaccine or a combination of accepted vaccines
have received your last dose at least 14 days prior to the day you enter Canada
Example: if your last dose was anytime on Thursday July 1st, then Thursday July 15th would be the first day that you meet the 14 day condition
upload your proof of vaccination in ArriveCAN
Accepted vaccines:

Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine
Moderna COVID-19 vaccine
AstraZeneca/COVISHIELD COVID-19 vaccine
Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) COVID-19 vaccine - single dose

Vaccines not currently accepted for fully vaccinated status in Canada:

Bharat Biotech (Covaxin, BBV152 A, B, C)
Cansino (Convidecia, Ad5-nCoV)
Gamalaya (Sputnik V, Gam-Covid-Vac)
Sinopharm (BBIBP-CorV, Sinopharm-Wuhan)
Sinovac (CoronaVac, PiCoVacc)
Vector Institute (EpiVacCorona)
Other
The list of accepted vaccines may expand in the future.

If you received your vaccines outside Canada, it’s still accepted but proof of vaccination must be uploaded digitally in ArriveCAN and must only be in French or English, or certified translation into French or English.
If you want to be at safe side, just follow US guidance. No country dares to be picky on US

Btw, i had second shot on july 2nd in green park in Richmond hill and it's Pfizer
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smartie wrote: If you want to be at safe side, just follow US guidance. No country dares to be picky on US

Btw, i had second shot on july 2nd in green park in Richmond hill and it's Pfizer
Lol … ON THAT DAY

Things can change day by day dependent on what’s available … this has been covered in other threads

It’s personal choice if you want to mix & match (your body = your right to decide)

But it’s the Governments / TPTB to decide how the roll out goes and which vaccines end up where on any given day …

Which is WHY when you book an appointment now thru the Ontario Mass Vax Website it explains which vaccines are compatible 2nd doses to what folks got the first time

It will only allow you to book in with whatever is compatible … but vax centres can definitely have different things on different days depending on what’s available … being delivered / distributed

So July 2nd you got Pfizer at that location
By today … they may injecting Moderna

Personally … I have no problem with how the distribution is going = JUST IN TIME DELIVERY SYSTEM
Vaccine rollout is still considered a Province / CDN EMERGENCY HEALTH MEASURE
It’s not the time to pick & choose

If we were in a major drought … and there was no water (ok extreme example on purpose)
And the Govt was distributing bottled water
It would make no sense to say

WHAT JUST NESTLE PURE WATER … YOU HAVE NO DASANI
I JUST WANT DASANI :rolleyes:

Desperate times call for desperate measures
People need to get with the program
Vaccinated is better than unvaccinated. Period
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13inches wrote: No, there is no merit to countries denying tourists long-term based on the vaccine the tourist received. Australia's number one tourist base is from China. Australia has only approved Pfizer and AZ, neither of which are being distributed in China currently. If anyone believes Australia will shut their doors to China in the long-term they are absolutely mad. This is but one example to illustrate how ludicrous it would be, and would decimate tourism industries if continued long-term.
The Chinese vaccine doesn’t work. Something like 50% which is better then nothing. Russian seems to work but quality control issues make it uneven.

Australia isn’t considering letting their own citizens in with two Pfizer doses so they are a long way from letting Chinese tourists back in. It’s likely 2023. We will be in a new world by then likely with China adding Pfizer or others by that point.

Two Pfizer or Two Moderna is best. But It was probably a good idea to get Astra Zeneca in winter if you had any exposure but it may have problems being accepted in some places. Anyway you can get a JJ shot in any US pharmacy and take the certificate there.
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Lol comparing pharma drugs with water.

A better example would be Tylenol/advil. There are definitely different processes behind the scenes.
PointsHubby wrote: Lol … ON THAT DAY

Things can change day by day dependent on what’s available … this has been covered in other threads

It’s personal choice if you want to mix & match (your body = your right to decide)

But it’s the Governments / TPTB to decide how the roll out goes and which vaccines end up where on any given day …

Which is WHY when you book an appointment now thru the Ontario Mass Vax Website it explains which vaccines are compatible 2nd doses to what folks got the first time

It will only allow you to book in with whatever is compatible … but vax centres can definitely have different things on different days depending on what’s available … being delivered / distributed

So July 2nd you got Pfizer at that location
By today … they may injecting Moderna

Personally … I have no problem with how the distribution is going = JUST IN TIME DELIVERY SYSTEM
Vaccine rollout is still considered a Province / CDN EMERGENCY HEALTH MEASURE
It’s not the time to pick & choose

If we were in a major drought … and there was no water (ok extreme example on purpose)
And the Govt was distributing bottled water
It would make no sense to say

WHAT JUST NESTLE PURE WATER … YOU HAVE NO DASANI
I JUST WANT DASANI :rolleyes:

Desperate times call for desperate measures
People need to get with the program
Vaccinated is better than unvaccinated. Period
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13inches wrote: No, there is no merit to countries denying tourists long-term based on the vaccine the tourist received. Australia's number one tourist base is from China. Australia has only approved Pfizer and AZ, neither of which are being distributed in China currently. If anyone believes Australia will shut their doors to China in the long-term they are absolutely mad. This is but one example to illustrate how ludicrous it would be, and would decimate tourism industries if continued long-term.
so you're not basing any of it on science?

you're contradicting yourself it seems, since you say there's no merit to "classifying" different types of vaccines for entry but then make zero arguments/statements to suggest there is no merit.
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That thread was referencing a show...it did speak to how different countries/organizations etc MAY view vaccines and how it can be problematic. I posted this thread because it spoke to Canada's stated position wrt vaccines and travel [which is why I posted it in TRAVEL forum] and how it's not well thought out and probably needs fixing. We can't IMO have a non agreed upon by all countries vaccine policy.
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If you are traveling outside Canada, you just need to show the second vaccination proof. Even if you had two diff vaccines, the second one will just show your second dose (Pfizer/Moderna) and that two doses have been completed.
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vernonco wrote: If you are traveling outside Canada, you just need to show the second vaccination proof. Even if you had two diff vaccines, the second one will just show your second dose (Pfizer/Moderna) and that two doses have been completed.
This is true for Ontario, but may not be true for other provinces. BC for example, the card shows both doses separately.
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vernonco wrote: If you are traveling outside Canada, you just need to show the second vaccination proof. Even if you had two diff vaccines, the second one will just show your second dose (Pfizer/Moderna) and that two doses have been completed.
Now this …

Is GOOD PRACTICAL ADVICE !
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PointsHubby wrote: Lol … ON THAT DAY

Things can change day by day dependent on what’s available … this has been covered in other threads


It’s personal choice if you want to mix & match (your body = your right to decide)

But it’s the Governments / TPTB to decide how the roll out goes and which vaccines end up where on any given day …

Which is WHY when you book an appointment now thru the Ontario Mass Vax Website it explains which vaccines are compatible 2nd doses to what folks got the first time

It will only allow you to book in with whatever is compatible … but vax centres can definitely have different things on different days depending on what’s available … being delivered / distributed

So July 2nd you got Pfizer at that location
By today … they may injecting Moderna

Personally … I have no problem with how the distribution is going = JUST IN TIME DELIVERY SYSTEM
Vaccine rollout is still considered a Province / CDN EMERGENCY HEALTH MEASURE
It’s not the time to pick & choose

If we were in a major drought … and there was no water (ok extreme example on purpose)
And the Govt was distributing bottled water
It would make no sense to say

WHAT JUST NESTLE PURE WATER … YOU HAVE NO DASANI
I JUST WANT DASANI :rolleyes:

Desperate times call for desperate measures
People need to get with the program
Vaccinated is better than unvaccinated. Period
We're a 10 minute walk from a vaccination centre. I'm in a community group that posts about it almost daily.

Wednesday - offering just Moderna to adults
Thursday - offering just Moderna to adults
Friday - offering both Moderna and Pfizer, dependent on first dose
Saturday - offering just Moderna to adults
Sunday - offering just Moderna to adults
Monday - offering just Moderna to adults
Tuesday - offering just Pfizer to adults
Wednesday - offering both Moderna and Pfizer, dependent on first dose

I received Moderna for both doses. My wife received Pfizer for dose 1 and Moderna for dose 2, because that's what was available when she went for dose 2.
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13inches wrote: This is true for Ontario, but may not be true for other provinces. BC for example, the card shows both doses separately.
True that. I live in Ontario. Our printed proof is two small slips of paper. We can also download vaccine proof from the Ontario website - need health card, name and DOB.
If anyone plans to travel outside Canada and come back to Canada, download the ArriveCan app - this lets you upload your proof of vaccine, test results and will save you time on return.
Canada may accept other vaccinations (Sputnik, Sino, etc) assuming the WHO recommends and the results of those vaccines are good.
Other countries are also in the same place - Covidshield (AZ) is not on some country lists but AZ is.
Eventually this will all sort itself out.
Given how high the vaccine rate is in Canada (likely to cross 80%), we will be welcomed in most countries.
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Vaccines are a medical matter. Countries have their own medical authorities who investigate medical treatments, medications.

If a company wants Canada to recognize their vaccine, the company seeks approval.

I may be incorrect, but I don't believe that Bharat Biotech (Covaxin, BBV152 A, B, C), Cansino (Convidecia, Ad5-nCoV), Gamalaya (Sputnik V, Gam-Covid-Vac), Sinopharm (BBIBP-CorV, Sinopharm-Wuhan), Sinovac (CoronaVac, PiCoVacc), Vector Institute (EpiVacCorona) have applied for authorization.

I am glad that I can have confidence that before Canada recognizes the efficacy of a vaccine and permits people to enter Canada based on the vaccine, that Canada does its own assessment, and doesn't just rely on someone else's assessment.
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fogetmylogin wrote: The Chinese vaccine doesn’t work. Something like 50% which is better then nothing. Russian seems to work but quality control issues make it uneven.

Australia isn’t considering letting their own citizens in with two Pfizer doses so they are a long way from letting Chinese tourists back in. It’s likely 2023. We will be in a new world by then likely with China adding Pfizer or others by that point.

Two Pfizer or Two Moderna is best. But It was probably a good idea to get Astra Zeneca in winter if you had any exposure but it may have problems being accepted in some places. Anyway you can get a JJ shot in any US pharmacy and take the certificate there.
Then better align with WHO, otherwise it will be like travel to US and take a J&J shot, then fly to China and have to take Chinese vaccines. After you finish traveling the world, your arms will be like those who have drug addiction
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Dynatos wrote: We're a 10 minute walk from a vaccination centre. I'm in a community group that posts about it almost daily.

Wednesday - offering just Moderna to adults
Thursday - offering just Moderna to adults
Friday - offering both Moderna and Pfizer, dependent on first dose
Saturday - offering just Moderna to adults
Sunday - offering just Moderna to adults
Monday - offering just Moderna to adults
Tuesday - offering just Pfizer to adults
Wednesday - offering both Moderna and Pfizer, dependent on first dose

I received Moderna for both doses. My wife received Pfizer for dose 1 and Moderna for dose 2, because that's what was available when she went for dose 2.
Yeah, it depends on the shipments. I saw on CP24 that next week Canada will get 3 times as many Moderna than Pfizer shots (2.8m vs 900,000).
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Was J&J ever available in Canada??

WOULD SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
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Cheapo-Findo wrote: Was J&J ever available in Canada??
No.

The 300k doses received were quarantined and then discarded because of QC issues at the Baltimore plant, and Health Canada isn't accepting any more until they have a chance to inspect the plant.

They aren't hurrying to do so, though, because none of the provinces have expressed any demand for the J&J.
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13inches wrote: No, there is no merit to countries denying tourists long-term based on the vaccine the tourist received. Australia's number one tourist base is from China. Australia has only approved Pfizer and AZ, neither of which are being distributed in China currently. If anyone believes Australia will shut their doors to China in the long-term they are absolutely mad. This is but one example to illustrate how ludicrous it would be, and would decimate tourism industries if continued long-term.
Is simple when China decides to open up for foreigners to travel to China then we should open up for them till then we should all deny them from entry. Have to go both ways.

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