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Car loan impersonation

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Car loan impersonation

Hi,
please I need help regarding a problem with a loan under my name that I did not requested.
Last September my ex when to a car dealer with a void cheque from my checking account and she got a second hand Land Rover with a loan of 35k under my name and she registered the car under his partner name and myself. I found it out 1 month later when the bank sent me a congratulations letter for my new car and one week later the first monthly payment of 600 dollar charged into my checking account.
At the beginning she was still denying it but in front of the evidence she admitted and started to pay the car out of her pocket and promised me she would fix it and put the loan under her name but almost a year later she has changed nothing and she has started to pay late so the bank started to call me asking for the money.
I am currently unemployed and can not afford a lawyer or paralegal. Neither I can apply for free legal advice because I was working last year.
How is it possible the CIBC gave the ok to the car dealer without having any original document or my signature. I asked CIBC and they told me to contact the dealer. Technically they don´t have any valid contract to back up that loan. Many things can go wrong with this situation:

- if she has a car accident and run away they are going to be looking for me as the owner
- if she stop paying the car, I can say good bye to my credit record
- if Canada revenue investigate it, how I am going to explain being unemployed but paying 2 cars at the same time
- if tomorrow I get a job and want to renew my own car I will need to provide too many explanations

Has been anyone on a similar situation? Anyone with experience related to this?
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dani76 wrote: Hi,
please I need help regarding a problem with a loan under my name that I did not requested.
Last September my ex when to a car dealer with a void cheque from my checking account and she got a second hand Land Rover with a loan of 35k under my name and she registered the car under his partner name and myself. I found it out 1 month later when the bank sent me a congratulations letter for my new car and one week later the first monthly payment of 600 dollar charged into my checking account.
At the beginning she was still denying it but in front of the evidence she admitted and started to pay the car out of her pocket and promised me she would fix it and put the loan under her name but almost a year later she has changed nothing and she has started to pay late so the bank started to call me asking for the money.
I am currently unemployed and can not afford a lawyer or paralegal. Neither I can apply for free legal advice because I was working last year.
You will be in a whole heap of legal and financial problems if you do not seek out a lawyer and get this corrected immediately.
Local police usually do not investigate such fraud as it's more-so a civil issue.
But I would call them anyways and ask for best advisable directions-to-proceed. This at the very least will give you some recorded documentation if and when this goes to court
http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/financialcrimes/

dani76 wrote: How is it possible the CIBC gave the ok to the car dealer without having any original document or my signature. I asked CIBC and they told me to contact the dealer. Technically they don´t have any valid contract to back up that loan. Many things can go wrong with this situation:
The banks don't give auto loans to the dealer. They advance auto loans to the applicant
The person who had one of your voided cheques may have also had your SIN number and/or place of employment at that time, current paystubs, home address, yearly income data.
A signature is not needed because there is no previous banking signature-card to reference to on file as this is an application through a 3rd party broker - the auto dealer.

dani76 wrote: - if she has a car accident and run away they are going to be looking for me as the owner
- if she stop paying the car, I can say good bye to my credit record
- if Canada revenue investigate it, how I am going to explain being unemployed but paying 2 cars at the same time
- if tomorrow I get a job and want to renew my own car I will need to provide too many explanations
A second option is for you to call the bank and tell them your story.
You will be transferred to a recovery officer of the bank which may expedite fraud and recovery procedures.
You may be requested to go down to their head offices with identification to prove who you are.


My only question is, to apply for plates and registration with you named you must have surrendered your drivers license number? Because of this it may be deemed that you knew about and were in on the straw contract
Also, auto loans are setup using PAP. That's the reason for your blank chq for auto withdrawal. So she/he must have been depositing the auto loan payment? for the bank to withdrawal the payment?
You will probably get some pushback issues where the banks may not believe a thing you're saying because this incident started from last Sept 2020.
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dani76 wrote: Hi,
please I need help regarding a problem with a loan under my name that I did not requested.
Last September my ex when to a car dealer with a void cheque from my checking account and she got a second hand Land Rover with a loan of 35k under my name and she registered the car under his partner name and myself. I found it out 1 month later when the bank sent me a congratulations letter for my new car and one week later the first monthly payment of 600 dollar charged into my checking account.
At the beginning she was still denying it but in front of the evidence she admitted and started to pay the car out of her pocket and promised me she would fix it and put the loan under her name but almost a year later she has changed nothing and she has started to pay late so the bank started to call me asking for the money.
I am currently unemployed and can not afford a lawyer or paralegal. Neither I can apply for free legal advice because I was working last year.
How is it possible the CIBC gave the ok to the car dealer without having any original document or my signature. I asked CIBC and they told me to contact the dealer. Technically they don´t have any valid contract to back up that loan. Many things can go wrong with this situation:

- if she has a car accident and run away they are going to be looking for me as the owner
- if she stop paying the car, I can say good bye to my credit record
- if Canada revenue investigate it, how I am going to explain being unemployed but paying 2 cars at the same time
- if tomorrow I get a job and want to renew my own car I will need to provide too many explanations

Has been anyone on a similar situation? Anyone with experience related to this?
It looks more like you have changed nothing. You have let this slide.

You need a lawyer.There is no way out without one.
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Lawyer, Seek legal action asap.. Your credit score's future is at stake..
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Dunno if its a scam or she bullied you into it. You went along with it until she couldnt pay.
Still scammed into it. But you know each other which makes it different.
You need professional advice! Lawyer time because its really screwed up!

You can keep complaining to both bank and car dealership.
See if they can do anything. Then contact the media old school way and hope cbc makes an article. Thats free. (Probably won’t work, but you might get lucky).
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Was she your ex last September or you were still together and you let it slide or agreed to it? Because that could be a whole different story
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mkl38s wrote: Was she your ex last September or you were still together and you let it slide or agreed to it? Because that could be a whole different story
This. Were you legally separated when this happened?
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Your best bet after allowing it to continue for so long is to complain to the regulators. Think about where the dealership and the bank likely went wrong (no proof needed).

Then submit complaints to: FSCO, OMVIC and any other regulatory body you can find.

Banks are afraid of FSCO and will will likely try to settle with you rather than having FSCO audit the transaction.
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I’d like to know how a lady, went to a dealership and posed as a man to get a car loan?
Every vehicle I’ve ever financed required a drivers license of the applicant.
Something doesn’t add up.
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coolintheshade wrote: I’d like to know how a lady, went to a dealership and posed as a man to get a car loan?
Every vehicle I’ve ever financed required a drivers license of the applicant.
Something doesn’t add up.
Exactly - how does someone apply for a loan without the signature of one of the co-applicants. If there is a forged signature in-play that would almost certainly cross the line into criminal fraud and forgery.
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coolintheshade wrote: I’d like to know how a lady, went to a dealership and posed as a man to get a car loan?
Every vehicle I’ve ever financed required a drivers license of the applicant.
Something doesn’t add up.
If the applicant is asian or indian descent the given names are not so easily recognizable as male and female names as like North American English names.
We have run into this issue a few times

the first name "Michele" is often mistaken for male in Quebec. Not all female names use the 2 L's
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mikeymike1 wrote: If the applicant is asian or indian descent the given names are not so easily recognizable as male and female names as like North American English names.
We have run into this issue a few times

the first name "Michele" is often mistaken for male in Quebec. Not all female names use the 2 L's
Yeah I get that, but the person filling the application should match the picture on the drivers license you have to give them as identification.
I co-signed on a car loan years back, and we both had to show ID for them to run the credit check.
Also the ID was photocopied.
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coolintheshade wrote: Yeah I get that, but the person filling the application should match the picture on the drivers license you have to give them as identification.
I co-signed on a car loan years back, and we both had to show ID for them to run the credit check.
Also the ID was photocopied.
Unfortunately we can't rely on people with nothing more than a OMVIC salesperson license to perform banking verification and compliance rules and regulations.
Their main purpose is to sell products and services not assuring documentation matches and are legit
Franchised auto dealers may be a little more strict with paperwork and verification but the used auto dealers are sloppy as hell.
Submission of 6 month old paystubs and/or stubs printed on simple piece of paper are always problematic. Include job letters that look like they were written by a 15 year old.
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This can't be the whole story... There are enough holes to drive a land rover thru.
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kr0zet wrote: This can't be the whole story... There are enough holes to drive a land rover thru.
Correction: Tow a Land Rover through- given their reliability issues.

I agree there is more to the story here about than the void cheque.
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coolintheshade wrote: I’d like to know how a lady, went to a dealership and posed as a man to get a car loan?
Every vehicle I’ve ever financed required a drivers license of the applicant.
Something doesn’t add up.
Are you sure a DL is needed and not just any photo ID? In BC it is quite possible to buy, register, finance, and insure a vehicle without having a DL at all. You just can’t drive it. Maybe the ex used some other photo ID.
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Kiraly wrote: Are you sure a DL is needed and not just any photo ID? In BC it is quite possible to buy, register, finance, and insure a vehicle without having a DL at all. You just can’t drive it. Maybe the ex used some other photo ID.
The ex wouldn't be allowed to use any of the OP's ID. I don't see how she could get a loan in another person's name. I wonder if OP is confused with payments coming out of his bank account as being a loan in his name.
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Kiraly wrote: Are you sure a DL is needed and not just any photo ID? In BC it is quite possible to buy, register, finance, and insure a vehicle without having a DL at all. You just can’t drive it.
Wow that’s some crazy shit.
I guess I’m just assuming one needs a drivers license to finance a vehicle, because I’ve always been asked for one.
But I’m almost certain you can’t (at least here in Manitoba) register a vehicle without a drivers license.
I know you can register a vehicle with only a learners permit, because it is still a drivers license, and you’ve paid your “drivers insurance” premium just like a person with a full license.
Now you’re making me second guess myself here.
I’m totally blown away that one can finance and register a vehicle without a driver’s license.
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Kiraly wrote: Are you sure a DL is needed and not just any photo ID? In BC it is quite possible to buy, register, finance, and insure a vehicle without having a DL at all. You just can’t drive it. Maybe the ex used some other photo ID.
A dealer may ask for a DL if that person needs new plates. MTO green forms need the DL info
If he/she brings their own plates their drivers lic number is already notated on the green ownership plate portion. (RIN if multiple people)
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coolintheshade wrote: Wow that’s some crazy shit.
I’m totally blown away that one can finance and register a vehicle without a driver’s license.
When you think about it it's not that crazy. Financing is about who pays for it. The person who pays doesn't necessarily need to be the one who drives it or even registers it for ownership. So ID required for financing, sure, but why insist it be a DL? Any ID that's acceptable for any type of larger loan will do.

As for registering, it's a record of ownership, not a record of who is driving it. I know someone who bought and registered a 20 year old Camaro at age 15 before he even had a learner's licence. He spent a year fixing it up and it was all ready to go as soon as he got his learner's at 16.

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