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cheapest home phone

Hi All,
I have a magicjack service and its gonna end in a month. what are the other cheap options?
1>should I renew the service with majicjack?
2>Any other home phone service cheaper than magicjack?

thanks.
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sim367 wrote:
Jan 8th, 2019 6:50 am
Hi All,
I have a magicjack service and its gonna end in a month. what are the other cheap options?
freephoneline.ca
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Note that FreePhoneLine requires an additional hardware purchase, though. (If you want to use it with your actual physical phones, at home, which I presume you do \if you're using magicjack)
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A free VoIP service and a cellphone on wifi would be free.

I haven't had a home phone for over 15 years. It would have been longer had I not worked from home before that.
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I've got kids that are too young for cell phones but old enough to call 911 in an emergency (and my son has discovered the joy of calling his friends on the phone), so a home phone is still useful for my household. But definitely not at the rates that Bell and the like charge :)
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sim367 wrote:
Jan 8th, 2019 6:50 am
Hi All,
I have a magicjack service and its gonna end in a month. what are the other cheap options?
1>should I renew the service with majicjack?
2>Any other home phone service cheaper than magicjack?

thanks.
trty koodo home phone or virgin home phone, i believe $5 per month for a year and then $20
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wearysky wrote:
Jan 8th, 2019 9:58 am
Note that FreePhoneLine requires an additional hardware purchase, though. (If you want to use it with your actual physical phones, at home, which I presume you do \if you're using magicjack)
In the longrun, there's nothing cheaper in Canada than FPL for a home phone replacement service with a Canadian phone number, regardless of whether the user needs to buy an ATA or IP Phone.
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Webslinger wrote:
Jan 8th, 2019 3:05 pm
In the longrun, there's nothing cheaper in Canada than FPL for a home phone replacement service with a Canadian phone number, regardless of whether the user needs to buy an ATA or IP Phone.
Yup, but just felt it was worth pointing out in case OP wasn't aware.
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wearysky wrote:
Jan 8th, 2019 9:58 am
Note that FreePhoneLine requires an additional hardware purchase, though. (If you want to use it with your actual physical phones, at home, which I presume you do \if you're using magicjack)
can buy the SIP access from freephoneline, and set up the SIP access in an old smartphone with apps like CSIP, Zoiper, and use phone with home WIFI and maybe even take phone with you and use it at location with free WIFI

ive used freephoneline at home with ATA adapter for over 9 years, only paid one time (approx.) $100 set up for SIP access and ATA adapter, only reason with an ATA adapter is to allow you option to connect multiple phones at home from a base unit (i.e. living room, bedroom, kitchen, etcc)

I've also used the purchased SIP access through an android app on an old smartphone with WIFI at home, and have also used the phone outside home through a tablet sim plan and/or with free outside home available wifi - but no texting (not available)
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Thanks Webslinger! See you all over posts on FPL, made the switch and waiting on my number to port :)
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CheapBucket wrote:
Jan 8th, 2019 7:54 pm
can buy the SIP access from freephoneline, and set up the SIP access in an old smartphone with apps like CSIP, Zoiper
Given you're mentioning CSipSimple, you're probably referring to Android users.
I would avoid Zoiper on iOS: https://community.zoiper.com/1327/zoipe ... tion-timer.
Freephoneline requires a 3600 second (1 hr) registration period.
Groundwire is a better alternative, imo, in particular because Push does not require a paid subscription.
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n1cknam3 wrote:
Jan 9th, 2019 7:56 am
Thanks Webslinger! See you all over posts on FPL, made the switch and waiting on my number to port :)
Wait a second

I suggest trying the desktop app for free first to help ensure the service works reasonably well for you before paying anything: rogers-home-phone-3rd-party-voip-simult ... #p29235388. If you have problems installing it, visit http://forum.fongo.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... 810#p74810.

I'm not entirely sure why this thread is in the cell phone forum. I don't recommend Freephoneline on smartphones due to the 3600 registration period requirement and the potential for temporary IP bans if too many registration attempts are made within a short period. FPL was originally developed and intended for use on ATAs and IP Phones. Fongo Mobile is the exact same service (and it's free). The issue is whether you can get the app to work well for you, in particular, on certain Android roms--and outside of Southern Ontario, where Fongo's servers are located. iOS users typically have less issues. If you want to use a VoIP SIP service with a Canadian number over cellular data, you'll have more flexibility using VoIP.ms with Groundwire, for example.

Freephoneline users with reliable internet service, decent routers that are good for SIP services (see below), and properly configured ATAs or IP Phones will tend to have better (sometimes significantly better) experiences than those using Fongo Mobile over cellular data.

The first two pages of this thread would probably be a good starting point: https://forums.redflagdeals.com/newegg- ... x-2145415/.
I would also encourage you to read the first four pages (the preamble) of this PDF guide: http://forum.fongo.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... 805#p73839.


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For anyone new to using SIP services as home phones, I'm just going to copy and paste something I've written before (mostly within the context of helping FPL users, but all four points apply to users of home phone SIP services in general). There's too many newcomers (and even existing users) who don't know this information.




For VoIP SIP services, you want

1) a router that does not have a full cone NAT,

Visit https://www.think-like-a-computer.com/2 ... es-of-nat/.
Mango from the Obitalk.com forums writes,
“Use a restricted cone NAT router, and do not use port forwarding or DMZ. Restricted cone NAT will only permit
inbound traffic from the service provider you're registered to. If you have a full cone NAT router, it will allow traffic
from any source. This is probably not what you intend.
If you have a Windows computer, you can test your router using the utility here:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22292023. To run it, use stun stun.ekiga.net from a command prompt.”
Essentially, you download the stun-test.zip file; extract the stun.exe file from within the zip file to an easily
accessible location; use an elevated command prompt (visit
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-to-ru ... inistrator); change directory (cd) to the
directory or location where you extracted stun.exe (visit
http://www.digitalcitizen.life/command- ... c-commands); and type “stun stun.ekiga.net” without
the quotation marks followed by the enter/return button on your keyboard.
Asus routers, at the time of this writing, produce port restricted cone NAT routers, for example and are fine,
provided you’re using one with Asuswrt-Merlin, third party firmware installed: https://asuswrt.lostrealm.ca/about.

2) a router that lets you disable SIP ALG if it's buggy,

To understand why SIP ALG often causes horrible problems, please visit
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Routers+SIP+ALG (scroll down to the section on SIP ALG problems).

If you're dealing with a modem/router combo issued by an ISP or a router with SIP ALG forced on, you may have
to use voip4.freephoneline.ca:6060 for the Proxy Server. The purpose of voip4.freephoneline.ca:6060 is to circumvent
faulty SIP ALG features in routers.

3) a router that allows you to set QoS or assign highest priority to your ATA or IP Phone over all other devices on your LAN (local area network),

For a very general description of what QoS can do for you, visit https://www.voipmechanic.com/qos-for-voip.htm.
The basic idea is if you're torrenting or have a bunch of other computers, smartphones, tablets, etc. downloading and uploading (hogging all your available bandwidth), you don't want
your ATA not to have access to enough bandwidth to make or receive calls properly. So QoS or a Bandwidth Monitor feature (which is just another form of QoS) is a really good idea for VoIP users.

I often get an occasional relative complaining to me, "Hey my calls sound choppy." And then when I go visit, some kids are playing MMOs on a computer, while another person is downloading a huge file,
and another person is backing up files to a cloud service all at the same time someone else is trying to talk on the phone. All those devices, without QoS enabled, are fighting over available bandwidth along with the ATA.

and 4) A router that lets you adjust both Unreplied and Assured UDP timeouts.

Thanks to Mango, many of us now understand that in order for ATAs to remain registered and working properly with a VoIP SIP provider like Freephoneline, in particular after power failures, the following conditions must be met:

UDP Unreplied Timeout (in your router) < NAT Keep-alive Interval (in your ATA; for Obihai ATAs this is X_KeepAliveExpires) < UDP Assured Timeout (in your router) < SIP Registration Failure Retry Wait Time (or RegisterRetryInterval in Obihai ATAs)

“<“ means less than.

When a modem leases a new IP address, a problem can arise where prior associations using the old IP address are maintained in the router. When the ATA attempts to communicate using the old IP address, the response is unreplied, and then if the UDP Unreplied timeout is greater than the Keep Alive Interval (and UDP Unreplied timeout is often set to 30 by default in consumer routers) a problem arises where the corrupted connection persists. If UDP Unreplied timeout is, for example, 17, and the NAT Keep Alive Interval is 20, then the corrupted connection will timeout or close. A new connection will be created, and everything will work fine.

Another problem can occur when the Keep-Alive interval is greater than UDP Assured Timeout (often 180 by default in consumer routers): the NAT hole will close due to the ATA not communicating frequently enough with the SIP server. In turn, incoming calls may, intermittently, not reach the ATA. Again, X_Keepalives expires is supposed to be 20 with FPL.

(the above settings are making reference to those in Obihai ATAs)

Getting access to both UDP Unreplied Timeout and UDP Assured Timeout settings in consumer routers may be difficult, if not impossible. Asuswrt-Merlin (I would avoid any model less powerful than an RT-AC68U), third party firmware for Asus routers, does offer easy access to these two settings, which are found under General–>Tools-->Other settings. My understanding is that third party Tomato firmware has these two settings as well. So if your router supports Tomato firmware, that may be another option. Note that I will not be held accountable any damage resulting from failed firmware updates.


Apparently, Mikrotik routers also allow users to change both Assured and Unreplied UDP timeout settings as well:
https://forums.redflagdeals.com/recomme ... #p28056619 (I've never used them and, in turn, can't advise buying them or answering questions about them)
https://forums.redflagdeals.com/recomme ... #p28059363
https://forums.redflagdeals.com/recomme ... #p28059444

The keep alive interval for FPL is 20. The SIP Registration Failure Retry Wait Time is 120. I use 17 for UDP Unreplied Timeout and 117 for UDP Assured Timeout.



ISPs do not issue customers routers that can do all four things I just listed. Typically it's far better to have your own router with strong QoS functions and a restricted cone NAT firewall,
disable whatever SIP ALG feature is enabled in the router, and stick whatever modem/router combo your ISP gives you into bridge mode (for Bell Hubs you can just do PPPoE login using your own router if you want). For Bell Hubs, visit please-sticky-how-bypass-bell-hub-use-y ... r-1993629/. For Rogers Hitron, visit https://www.rogers.com/customer/support ... ridgemodem (CGN3 instructions also apply to CODA-4582).
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Made the switch, enjoying no phone bill :)

using freephoneline.ca and a cisco spa112.
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n1cknam3 wrote:
Feb 19th, 2019 8:46 pm
Made the switch, enjoying no phone bill :)

using freephoneline.ca and a cisco spa112.
l'm little bit lost here....
buy the voip key for $59
buy the device
lost in setup..
each month free??
???
my cik voip with 911 cost 7...
i want FREE HOME phone... any help?
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