Poultry broth is full of gelatine. Ever simmered down a chicken carcass and let it cool in the fridge? Guess too many people just dump the leftovers.
I smile when I see container ships sailing past my house laden with stuff made in China
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The single men (from German-speaking countries) seems to be rare (compared to other European countries), probably because most died and thus there were lots of available women at home. Seems to have been more couples with or without young children.lecale wrote: ↑ My maternal grandparents were conservative Christian Austrians who came to Canada to claim settlement land, so Mennonite-ish. My father was a postwar immigrant from Germany. Many Germans came here after the war, they just did not generally wave their flag because it was social suicide. My grandmother told my mother she was ruining her life by marrying a German man even though the family had Germanic heritage. We still celebrate National Hate the Germans Day (aka Poppy Day) here, 75 years later, well after the original antagonists have all died.
Depends on where you are. Doesn't seem to be so in parts out west with substantial German settlement (even have German and Austrian clubs). Still going strong though the bakeries are downscaling (no one wants to do the work of a Germanic baker).Most Germans have fully assimilated under the pressure which is why the few German delis that existed have evaporated & most are Warsaw Pact country affiliated, like Starsky's, & Zehrs no longer specializes in German foods as it originally did.
I'd really like to know what market the book was intended for. Offal and tripe didn't seem to be eaten by "Canadians" in the post-war period. Seems tripe, offal and even chicken wings and ribs were priced at next to nothing in the prairies within the decade after WW-II.There is a forward in the book that states the purpose is to indoctrinate Canadian brides in the manner of German cooking. There are recipes for offal including fried brains. As the sausage maker says, "We make ends meet/We make ends meat." Continental food may be fancy to the Brits, but this book is for the frugal housewife. It is everyday food.
I meant the cook book. My wife has/had a (german) edition belonging to her grandmother.Dr. Oetker belongs to the era when chefs were men like Duncan Hines or Hector Boiardi (Chef Boy-ar-dee). Betty Crocker is a marketing invention, a composite of the American housewife, not a real person. Irma S. Rombauer, the author of The Joy of Cooking, was the daughter of Germans, though & wrote in the same era.
Jan 22nd, 2021 12:21 am
I think after WWII there was a shortage of men in all quarters, of all nationalities. Many single men wanted to get the heck out of Germany because it was a mess after the war & needed to be entirely rebuilt, physically, politically, & socially. They saw much more opportunity & hope in the US & Canada than in postwar Europe. People say there was so much work available in the reconstruction but politically & socially there was turmoil & that is what young Germans who were born during or close after the war fled.thriftshopper wrote: ↑ The single men (from German-speaking countries) seems to be rare (compared to other European countries), probably because most died and thus there were lots of available women at home. Seems to have been more couples with or without young children.
Depends on where you are. Doesn't seem to be so in parts out west with substantial German settlement (even have German and Austrian clubs). Still going strong though the bakeries are downscaling (no one wants to do the work of a Germanic baker).
I'd really like to know what market the book was intended for. Offal and tripe didn't seem to be eaten by "Canadians" in the post-war period. Seems tripe, offal and even chicken wings and ribs were priced at next to nothing in the prairies within the decade after WW-II.
I meant the cook book. My wife has/had a (german) edition belonging to her grandmother.
Jan 22nd, 2021 11:04 am
I found there has always been a robust German ethnic presence in Ontario since the war. I met and worked with a lot of "Germans", but in fact most of them were ethnic Germans from places like Poland, Romania, Lithuania, etc. who were displaced during the war and did not really feel they belonged in West Germany, after their families had resettled in Slavic lands to the east centuries ago. As you say, these people tended to lay low and assimilate to avoid the prejudice we had toward Germans, even though many of them were victims of the war too. London, Kitchener, Hamilton, and Toronto. So many clubs and stores catering to German tastes although now evolved for a wider ethnic market, like Denningers in Hamilton. Some of their cuisine has entered our own, and German style breads and sausages are found everywhere.lecale wrote: ↑ I think after WWII there was a shortage of men in all quarters, of all nationalities. Many single men wanted to get the heck out of Germany because it was a mess after the war & needed to be entirely rebuilt, physically, politically, & socially. They saw much more opportunity & hope in the US & Canada than in postwar Europe. People say there was so much work available in the reconstruction but politically & socially there was turmoil & that is what young Germans who were born during or close after the war fled.
Alberta, where my mother is from, is different from Ontario, where my parents set up house. Toronto was & is absolutely devoid of German restaurants, clubs, bookstores, delis & there was a lot of anti-German sentiment out this way. The prairie West is much more rural & that made a big difference because there was not as strong an established culture to act against & supress German culture. In the West London Drugs carries a lot of imported German food products to this day, but there is no equivalent here anymore.
In Ontario, Germans ended up northwest & west of Toronto towards the Tech Triangle in the "Zehrs belt," & there is a Mennonite population northwest & west of that where the Zehrses had hitching posts for horses & carriages. Over time German cultural institutions have continued to fade. I end up ordering stuff from London Drugs out of Airdrie because you cannot get it locally here, which is ridiculous. Here, Germans are truly assimilated. There is little trace of them culturally. They have become strictly Canadian.
It is similar in much of the the US, where few people recognize that Matt Groening's The Simpsons is absolutely loaded with German cultural references because Groening's family heritage is German & Mennonite & his father was born in Western Canada where there was more freedom to be just that. Otto Mann, the archetypical German scientist type, may have been this || close to flat broke at any point in time but he always at least had a jar of proper mustard, if nothing else. German Americans have had the German flushed out of them to such a degree they no longer recognize the importance of keeping mustard at hand & preserving their heritage despite pressure to abandon it. Mustard holds no significance to many of them. If anything, they eat awful French's yellow prepared mustard that has no bite or character (& too much vinegar) & see The Simpsons as iconic Americans, despite all the German names (many from Groening's own family) & cultural references in it.
Though her parents were native German speakers, my mother never learned any of the language until she met my father, and not much even then. In order to cook what was familiar to him, she needed something written in English. A lot of the food was not familiar to her either & she mocked the idea of stewed fruit as "dinner," it was so foreign to her. She grew up in northern Alberta where the roads ended on a 1,000 acre land claim & my father came from cosmopolitan Berlin. There was a massive cultural gap. That was the cookbook that bridged the two worlds & attempted to halt the cultural losses here.
Jan 22nd, 2021 11:35 am
Hamilton has some good stuff. They have a market called Dutch Toko (also one in Guelph) that sells salted licorice, pieces of natural licorice root, smoked horse meat, chocolate sprinkles for your toast, Indonesian curry kits, and other quirky Dutch-related things.Dealmaker1945 wrote: ↑ I found there has always been a robust German ethnic presence in Ontario since the war. I met and worked with a lot of "Germans", but in fact most of them were ethnic Germans from places like Poland, Romania, Lithuania, etc. who were displaced during the war and did not really feel they belonged in West Germany, after their families had resettled in Slavic lands to the east centuries ago. As you say, these people tended to lay low and assimilate to avoid the prejudice we had toward Germans, even though many of them were victims of the war too. London, Kitchener, Hamilton, and Toronto. So many clubs and stores catering to German tastes although now evolved for a wider ethnic market, like Denningers in Hamilton. Some of their cuisine has entered our own, and German style breads and sausages are found everywhere.
Jan 22nd, 2021 3:20 pm
lecale wrote: ↑ I think after WWII there was a shortage of men in all quarters, of all nationalities. Many single men wanted to get the heck out of Germany because it was a mess after the war & needed to be entirely rebuilt, physically, politically, & socially. They saw much more opportunity & hope in the US & Canada than in postwar Europe. People say there was so much work available in the reconstruction but politically & socially there was turmoil & that is what young Germans who were born during or close after the war fled. It would appear anti-German feelings were stronger in some areas than others (Ontario with the Orangemen cult until the '80s). Certainly it would seem less so in quite a few parts of B.C. where you had, until the past few decades, strong German neighbourhoods (e.g., Robsonstrasse in Vancouver) and lots of German shops, not to mention the German and Austrian clubs. Most have children who have intermarried so preference for the old tastes are not there any more (the Mennonites I know seem to be half or quarter breeds). Same can be said for Russian, Ukrainian, Greek and a few other European ethnicities. Ironically, there was a Japanese-Peruvian-owned supermarket that still had a section of German foods but the old owners sold out to Vietnamese. The German food importer/wholesaler (Euro Foods) sold out a few years ago as the land his warehouse sat on must have been worth lots. There have been German bakers but most have moved on and the younger business owners use their own name and recipes. The best German-style bread I've had in B.C. was in Duncan but the owners retired a couple of years ago, unfortunately, and with them their best breads. Certainly the Okanagan still has German shops (well, one meat shop, deli, butcher, German staples - bakeries are dying out) where the shop assistants must be bilingual. Even Victoria isn't as culturally British as it once was.
German ethnicity certainly was a much larger component of the U.S. demographic back then (and still is now, believed to be the largest ethnic component) than it was ever in Canada. Also helped that very senior U.S. military commanders (Eisenhower, Nimitz among others) were German in heritage.
Jan 22nd, 2021 3:57 pm
16% of the US is German-heritage & whereas 16% are Hispanic whites & 12-13% are Black. I think the supressed culture is where some of the stupidity is coming from in the US because that German-heritage 16% did not always do the best economically & socially & other races are being lifted while now fully Americanized, madly patriotic German-heritage whites are being overlooked. That is why keeping your culture alive matters.thriftshopper wrote: ↑It would appear anti-German feelings were stronger in some areas than others (Ontario with the Orangemen cult until the '80s). Certainly it would seem less so in quite a few parts of B.C. where you had, until the past few decades, strong German neighbourhoods (e.g., Robsonstrasse in Vancouver) and lots of German shops, not to mention the German and Austrian clubs. Most have children who have intermarried so preference for the old tastes are not there any more (the Mennonites I know seem to be half or quarter breeds). Same can be said for Russian, Ukrainian, Greek and a few other European ethnicities. Ironically, there was a Japanese-Peruvian-owned supermarket that still had a section of German foods but the old owners sold out to Vietnamese. The German food importer/wholesaler (Euro Foods) sold out a few years ago as the land his warehouse sat on must have been worth lots. There have been German bakers but most have moved on and the younger business owners use their own name and recipes. The best German-style bread I've had in B.C. was in Duncan but the owners retired a couple of years ago, unfortunately, and with them their best breads. Certainly the Okanagan still has German shops (well, one meat shop, deli, butcher, German staples - bakeries are dying out) where the shop assistants must be bilingual. Even Victoria isn't as culturally British as it once was.
German ethnicity certainly was a much larger component of the U.S. demographic back then (and still is now, believed to be the largest ethnic component) than it was ever in Canada. Also helped that very senior U.S. military commanders (Eisenhower, Nimitz among others) were German in heritage.
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Depends on the region in the U.S.. German culture is still alive in certain areas which saw lots of German immigration and settlement, e.g., Cincinnati and Milwaukee. There's really not much affinity to European cultures except for those who immigrated relatively recently and haven't blended into the (white) melting pot. In places such as Philadelphia that hosted the oldest German settlement (Germantown, a century before U.S. independence), pretzels are popular but not something one would fine in Germany (hard, dense bready thing).lecale wrote: ↑ 16% of the US is German-heritage & whereas 16% are Hispanic whites & 12-13% are Black. I think the supressed culture is where some of the stupidity is coming from in the US because that German-heritage 16% did not always do the best economically & socially & other races are being lifted while now fully Americanized, madly patriotic German-heritage whites are being overlooked. That is why keeping your culture alive matters.
I think that, again, is regional. There are locally-made brands of German foods but they'll only be sold locally. Not appealling to most. Lots of brands that have a German heritage. The ketchup and beans outfit (ancestor apparently from the same village/town as the ancestor of the most-recent former U.S. president), and the founders of the most-popular U.S.beer brands.Traditional foods were dropped for an all-American diet of cheese pizza, hot dogs, hamburgers, microwaved pretzels, potato chips, fries & all other things potato, Kraft Dinner, and other processed junk foods & the German kaffeeklatsch lives on in the form of coffee & donut shops.
Not the culture, and no work ethic for the culture. Québéc has been trying to train bakers (boulangers, as well as patissiers) but the quitting rate after a year after qualification is almost 100%. The German (and other) bakeries in B.C. ll close or change hands, and recipes, because the children aren't interested in the work.Dr. Oetker has some awesome bread baking recipe books & Germany has amazing drive-though bakeries where you can pick up freshly baked bread on the run. We need that here.
Jan 25th, 2021 3:11 am
German culture? Modern Germany is a progressive country. Philadelphia, Cincinnati & Milwaukee were not led by progressives, but "American patriots." Likewise, figures like Trump, Sean Spicer, Steve King are 3rd generation German-Americans who fully identify as Americans. (White) melting pot, meet kettle. I would not call any of those guys "German culture," and none of them have anything positive to say about Europe. That is the impact of post-WWII America on the generations born over here.thriftshopper wrote: ↑ Depends on the region in the U.S.. German culture is still alive in certain areas which saw lots of German immigration and settlement, e.g., Cincinnati and Milwaukee. There's really not much affinity to European cultures except for those who immigrated relatively recently and haven't blended into the (white) melting pot. In places such as Philadelphia that hosted the oldest German settlement (Germantown, a century before U.S. independence), pretzels are popular but not something one would fine in Germany (hard, dense bready thing).
Yes, many brands have a German heritage that have been fully bastardized, that is my point. Kraft Heinz makes American food. By no stretch of the imagination could you call it German food. They do not sell Kraft Dinner, Kraft peanut butter, salt-bomb Jell-O instant pistachio pudding, Jell-O gelatin, Cool Whip, or any products like them in Germany. Both the company & their customers have lost their connections to German culture.thriftshopper wrote: ↑ I think that, again, is regional. There are locally-made brands of German foods but they'll only be sold locally. Not appealling to most. Lots of brands that have a German heritage. The ketchup and beans outfit (ancestor apparently from the same village/town as the ancestor of the most-recent former U.S. president), and the founders of the most-popular U.S.beer brands.
You can work as hard as you want & if there is no market for your goods at a price point that creates a profit, you have no choice but to pack it in. A small bakery cannot compete against Weston-backed ACE here. An independent outfit's costs & prices are higher & availability. convenience, & volume far lower. It is like trying to be a tailor producing bespoke clothing in this era. For all good intentions, it is impossible to go forward.thriftshopper wrote: ↑ Not the culture, and no work ethic for the culture. Québéc has been trying to train bakers (boulangers, as well as patissiers) but the quitting rate after a year after qualification is almost 100%. The German (and other) bakeries in B.C. ll close or change hands, and recipes, because the children aren't interested in the work.
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W-a-a-a-y too natural. This is what it should look like
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