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Children's dentist - fees

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Oct 20, 2011
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Toronto

Children's dentist - fees

My work benefits covers dental at 90% of customary charges. My spouse and I have been to several dentists in downtown Toronto and in York region. We've never had to pay more than 10% of the charges.

My kids have been going to Kids Dental group and I'm only now realizing that they charge quite a bit more than customary charges. I've reviewed my claims history for the kids - it looks like their work is only be covered at 60% - 74%.

I guess kids are probably tougher to work on, hence the higher charges. But it seems a bit high to me. Also, at Kids Dental group, they use a toothbrush for cleaning, then give it to you as your free toothbrush. That's kind of cheap no? Can't give a brand new toothbrush?

Just wondering if the are any recommendations for children's dentists in York region, where they do not charge so much over the customary charges.
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Dec 12, 2005
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Just go with whoever your I dentist is. No need to go a paediatric dentist unless there is an issue that calls for their service. Pediatric dentistry is a specialty so their fees are most likely higher hence your insurance does not cover you for your full (or 90%).
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Feb 7, 2017
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As mentioned … Pediatric Dentistry is specialty

That said, I strongly disagree with the other RFDer

If you are fortunate enough to live in a larger area where there are indeed Pediatric Dentists
Then go to one

Kids definitely do far better with them than most regular dentists … both in terms of their training to deal with kids emotionally (seriously I don’t know any adults who like going to the dentist … let alone kids)

Positive dentistry experiences from a young age can definitely pay off later

As adults … they’ll be more likely to actually make going to the dentist a priority for themselves … and their children

Plus … Pediatric Dentists are highly trained in the changing mouth that kids will have infants thru to when their Wisdom Teeth arrive as young adults

This knowledge is PRICELESS cuz it can get you out in front of any long term issues far faster than most regular dentists may be capable of recognizing / taking action on / making referrals

This is esp true we found if orthodontics are required

Pediatric dentists tend to have access to a whole assortment of orthodontists … and can make referrals based on what they have seen in other patients for outcome … all orthodontists … like dentists are trained … but not all may excel to the same degree in all aspects

Example … our family (multi generations ) have by genetics short jaw bones … so in order to eliminate over crowding, molars must me managed early on … and extractions are inevitable at some point. So Orthodontists who have a good track record in this area was important to us

For other families it could be other aspects of how teeth come in, softer teeth, gum issues, etc

In our case, our TEAM for our kids was invaluable. Our Pediatric Dentist worked flawlessly with the Orthodontist we chose based on the Dentists recommendations … they keep each other apprised on issues / progress.

To me … that was invaluable.

Something I myself didn’t have as a kid / teen when I went thru the entire orthodontic process with just a regular dentist.
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Dec 31, 2007
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PointsHubby wrote: As mentioned … Pediatric Dentistry is specialty

That said, I strongly disagree with the other RFDer

If you are fortunate enough to live in a larger area where there are indeed Pediatric Dentists
Then go to one

Kids definitely do far better with them than most regular dentists … both in terms of their training to deal with kids emotionally (seriously I don’t know any adults who like going to the dentist … let alone kids)

Positive dentistry experiences from a young age can definitely pay off later

As adults … they’ll be more likely to actually make going to the dentist a priority for themselves … and their children

Plus … Pediatric Dentists are highly trained in the changing mouth that kids will have infants thru to when their Wisdom Teeth arrive as young adults

This knowledge is PRICELESS cuz it can get you out in front of any long term issues far faster than most regular dentists may be capable of recognizing / taking action on / making referrals

This is esp true we found if orthodontics are required

Pediatric dentists tend to have access to a whole assortment of orthodontists … and can make referrals based on what they have seen in other patients for outcome … all orthodontists … like dentists are trained … but not all may excel to the same degree in all aspects

Example … our family (multi generations ) have by genetics short jaw bones … so in order to eliminate over crowding, molars must me managed early on … and extractions are inevitable at some point. So Orthodontists who have a good track record in this area was important to us

For other families it could be other aspects of how teeth come in, softer teeth, gum issues, etc

In our case, our TEAM for our kids was invaluable. Our Pediatric Dentist worked flawlessly with the Orthodontist we chose based on the Dentists recommendations … they keep each other apprised on issues / progress.

To me … that was invaluable.

Something I myself didn’t have as a kid / teen when I went thru the entire orthodontic process with just a regular dentist.

But you didn't tell us where you go
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Feb 7, 2017
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consumer be me wrote: But you didn't tell us where you go
Didn’t have to.

The OPs RFD Profile Location says = TORONTO
Mine says = EASTERN ONTARIO

Unless they (or you …who also lists TO in your RFD Profile) are willing to drive 3+ Hours to the east and back again for every dental appointment
It’s pretty pointless giving out contact info

My post was more about the fact that Pediatric Dentistry is a specialty practice
And a worthwhile one if you have kids and live in an area where it can be found

As you are dealing with a Specialist Field
Costs are going to be higher than scale for a regular dentist

Believe that addresses all the questions that the OP was posing
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Dec 31, 2007
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PointsHubby wrote: Didn’t have to.

The OPs RFD Profile Location says = TORONTO
Mine says = EASTERN ONTARIO

Unless they (or you …who also lists TO in your RFD Profile) are willing to drive 3+ Hours to the east and back again for every dental appointment
It’s pretty pointless giving out contact info

My post was more about the fact that Pediatric Dentistry is a specialty practice
And a worthwhile one if you have kids and live in an area where it can be found

As you are dealing with a Specialist Field
Costs are going to be higher than scale for a regular dentist

Believe that addresses all the questions that the OP was posing
The OP is not the only one who reads the answers to his posts. Believe it or not the OP is not the only one in the world with this issue. It helps others if you share where you went so others in that area can benefit but if you don't want to share or don't really mean what to said, then that's ok too.
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As a kid, we would always get to take home the brush we used. The hygienist would use a toothbrush to demonstrate how to brush your teeth properly, then put it back in the package to send you home with. It would seem wasteful for them to just throw out that brush and give you another new one.

You could try just using a regular dentist as they likely see their share of children already. We use a pediatric dentist and I really haven't seen the value in it. I think we will switch to a regular dentist.
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Jan 20, 2012
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My son goes to Kids Dental Group as well. They are charging at specialist rate. I had to pay ~30% of the service even my insurance covers 100%. My dentist in Richmond Hill also provides service for children and charging at regular rate. I will probably switch him over when he gets older.
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Feb 25, 2007
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my kids go to kids dental also, yes they are expensive, my son had cavities, and with both my wife and my insurance, I still had to pay out of pocket like $1200. My kids teeth cleaning at kids dental cost like double then my wife and mine, luckily for insurance
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so find a different dentist or take kids to the same dentist you go to, any dentist can handle kids. childrens dentist likely cost more in terms of fees
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jcremer2007 wrote: My work benefits covers dental at 90% of customary charges. My spouse and I have been to several dentists in downtown Toronto and in York region. We've never had to pay more than 10% of the charges.

My kids have been going to Kids Dental group and I'm only now realizing that they charge quite a bit more than customary charges. I've reviewed my claims history for the kids - it looks like their work is only be covered at 60% - 74%.

I guess kids are probably tougher to work on, hence the higher charges. But it seems a bit high to me. Also, at Kids Dental group, they use a toothbrush for cleaning, then give it to you as your free toothbrush. That's kind of cheap no? Can't give a brand new toothbrush?

Just wondering if the are any recommendations for children's dentists in York region, where they do not charge so much over the customary charges.
We have been really happy with the Vaughan Children's Dentistry. Not sure about the rates but you can call them to compare it to what you are paying now. They definitely do not use a toothbrush to clean the kids teeth. My kids actually like going there.
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Sep 30, 2004
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Markham
I believe most insurance for the percentage of coverage is based on a certain year's approved pricing or whatever it's call. So insurance didn't cover anything beyond that even at 100%.

And as others mentioned, you went to a pediatric dentist which most likely charges a premium. We take our kids to a regular dentist and will be referred if needed.
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Nov 5, 2019
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Any recommendation for East York area for pediatric dentist?
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Sep 2, 2008
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My 3yo needed some significant dental work and we got a quote from some kids dentist place my wife found in Toronto that would have cost me a few thousand dollars over what my benefits cover (which are usually pretty good).

Went with some recommendation I found here and went to a pediatric dentist in Kingston and almost the entire service was covered by my insurance. Just had to pay extra for more anesthesia as they used more than the benefits allowed.


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Sep 15, 2003
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reccoso wrote: There’s nothing specialist-level about seeing little kids except for behaviour management.
Behavior management can be a massive thing.
My daughter had a fear of the dentists and we couldn't get her to sit to get fillings without completely freaking out.
You can imagine after 2 or 3 visits, it only compounded the issues.

She's gone to a pediatric dentist for the last two years and it has definitely helped her overcome her fear of the dentist.

But I don't get where the crazy rates i'm reading in this thread are coming from.
Even with the higher specialist fees plus the anaesthesiologist I didn't have to pay $1200 out of my pocket like someone mentioned.
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Apr 28, 2017
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I've taken my children to pediatric dentists and I find it is a lot easier vs going to a regular dentist.

I highly recommend TreeHouse Dental. They have a few locations but I usually go to the one in Etobicoke (across from the hospital). They have a Thornhill location so that might be closer for you.

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