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Costco Laptop bilingual keyboards

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Costco Laptop bilingual keyboards

Looking to get a laptop for school at Costco, but they all say bilingual keyboard when i look online. Is there a way to get US english keyboards?
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Only way is to:
1) Buy a bilingual and swap it yourself
2) Buy a brand that doesn't have this nonsense
3) Buy it from Costco US (which especially today is easier said than done)
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I don't have any bilingual keyboards. Are they not QWERTY for English? Are any English keys in different positions? If not, French can be just ignored then.
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moomoosaurus wrote: Looking to get a laptop for school at Costco, but they all say bilingual keyboard when i look online. Is there a way to get US english keyboards?
I bought an Asus Vivobook from Costco that has a standard keyboard, not a bilingual keyboard so not every laptop from Costco has a bilingual keyboard.
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alpovs wrote: I don't have any bilingual keyboards. Are they not QWERTY for English? Are any English keys in different positions? If not, French can be just ignored then.
No. The problem is not the main letter keys. It's other keys such as the shift keys or return key. The multilingual keyboards and the French keyboards generally suck. For example, look at the return keys in this comparison:

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US English on left. Multilingual on right.
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EugW wrote: No. The problem is not the main letter keys. It's other keys such as the shift keys or return key. The multilingual keyboards and the French keyboards generally suck. For example, look at the return keys in this comparison:

US English on left. Multilingual on right.
Is the Enter key on bilingual keyboards always like this? I've seen Enter keys like this on English keyboards. It looks "old style" to me.
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kr0zet wrote: I bought an Asus Vivobook from Costco that has a standard keyboard, not a bilingual keyboard so not every laptop from Costco has a bilingual keyboard.
That severely limites my choices at Costco. I thought maybe it’s only in QC that they mandate this, but when i changed the store to Ontario, same thing for the laptops that interest me. Not the end of the world, but it’s a pain to have to adapt to it everytime since I use several devices daily.
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alpovs wrote: Is the Enter key on bilingual keyboards always like this?
Not always, but usually.
I've seen Enter keys like this on English keyboards. It looks "old style" to me.
There are several different types of "English" keyboards. The one people in Canada and the US generally want though is specifically US English because it always has the wide enter key and wide shift keys. (Multi-lingual keyboards often make the left shift key narrow, and then stuff another key beside the Z key.) And no, the other keyboard with the narrow return key is not an "old style" keyboard, since even US English typewriters from decades ago have a similarly wide enter key (although they may also be tall too).

When you stray away from the US English layout, you get setups that people in English North America often find really annoying. This includes the problem of the narrow enter and/or shift keys, but also other keys in unexpected locations. This is true for many symbol keys.

In general, I've noticed that the budget laptops mostly come with multilingual keyboards. It's the mid-range and higher end laptops that come with the choice of US English vs. other. However, I've also noticed that occasionally budget laptops are advertised with multi-lingual keyboards but actually ship with US English ones, but also that there is no consistency. For example, there was a thread a while back for a cheap Chromebook from one of the big retailers. A few people got US English models, whereas later on they only shipped multi-lingual models, but nowhere in the ordering process were people allowed to choose the keyboard.
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alpovs wrote: Is the Enter key on bilingual keyboards always like this? I've seen Enter keys like this on English keyboards. It looks "old style" to me.
They keyboard layout most North American English speakers are used to is called the ANSI layout. This one has the straight enter key with the backslash above it.

The other major layout is ISO. This has the "Big Ass Enter" key, the backslash beside it on home row, a shorter left shift and an extra key to the right of the left shift.

Those layouts get further broken down into regional layouts with various customizations. In general, ANSI is more of a North American thing while ISO is more of a rest of the world thing, but you can get any language in any layout if you try hard enough. It's more about tradition.
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moomoosaurus wrote: Looking to get a laptop for school at Costco, but they all say bilingual keyboard when i look online. Is there a way to get US english keyboards?
Dell laptops are shipped out from the US. Every Dell laptop that I've ordered has English only keyboards. That's why I order all of my laptops from Dell.

You used to be able to change out the Dell keyboards on their Inspiron line. They don't do that anymore for some reason.
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moomoosaurus wrote: That severely limites my choices at Costco. I thought maybe it’s only in QC that they mandate this, but when i changed the store to Ontario, same thing for the laptops that interest me. Not the end of the world, but it’s a pain to have to adapt to it everytime since I use several devices daily.
Not trying to limit your choices, just pointing out that not ALL of them have funky keyboards.
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ddot98 wrote: They keyboard layout most North American English speakers are used to is called the ANSI layout. This one has the straight enter key with the backslash above it.

The other major layout is ISO. This has the "Big Ass Enter" key, the backslash beside it on home row, a shorter left shift and an extra key to the right of the left shift.

Those layouts get further broken down into regional layouts with various customizations. In general, ANSI is more of a North American thing while ISO is more of a rest of the world thing, but you can get any language in any layout if you try hard enough. It's more about tradition.
I've seen both over the years in US English keyboards. That's why I thought that tall but also wide, not narrow (like you properly described it "Big Ass") Enter key is not that uncommon. But I think it was on older keyboards.
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After reading this thread, I looked at all the laptops I have at home, they all have US keyboard. I probably have never owned a bilingual keyboard and can not really understand the experience. Thank you all for educating me on this topic.

Edit: at work we use Dell Latitude and IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad, they have US Keyboard.
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Whatever you decide to buy, don’t buy a bilingual version. I have been kicking myself for the past two years as I thought the deal was too good to pass and I convinced myself that I get used to it. No No No. Anyway, don’t limit yourself to Costco. You will often find incredible deals from Lenovo or Dell directly. Follow the guy here called @RedFlagDealGuy. He post good deals with tons of information to support.
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simplylgg wrote: Whatever you decide to buy, don’t buy a bilingual version. I have been kicking myself for the past two years as I thought the deal was too good to pass and I convinced myself that I get used to it. No No No. Anyway, don’t limit yourself to Costco. You will often find incredible deals from Lenovo or Dell directly. Follow the guy here called @RedFlagDealGuy. He post good deals with tons of information to support.
Bilingual KBs are the worst idea in history. Even my Francophone friends hate it here in QC lol
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kr0zet wrote: Not trying to limit your choices, just pointing out that not ALL of them have funky keyboards.
I didn’t take it that you were limiting my choices at all. I was just lamenting that Costco seems to only stock majority bilingual KBs, limiting my choice as to what I’m willing to buy from them.
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ds2chan wrote: Dell laptops are shipped out from the US. Every Dell laptop that I've ordered has English only keyboards. That's why I order all of my laptops from Dell.

You used to be able to change out the Dell keyboards on their Inspiron line. They don't do that anymore for some reason.
I had a fairly bad experience with Dell when i got the XPS15 a few years ago. And youtube reviews have consistently shown trackpad problems in the XPS line last year and this year. I’m not going there. Besides, Dell has not used Ryzen chips yet, i won’t buy Intel as punishment for them being dicks over the last decade when they had a near monopoly.
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Costco sells MacBooks and they are English-only from what I saw in-store.
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It's not the end of the world, but for heavy touch typists it could be problematic.
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moomoosaurus wrote: Besides, Dell has not used Ryzen chips yet, i won’t buy Intel as punishment for them being dicks over the last decade when they had a near monopoly.
Dell most certainly does have Ryzen chips. There's a long-running thread of a Ryzen Dell laptop deal that comes and goes: dell-new-inspiron-15-amd-5700u-16gb-512gb-810-2463430/

Is there any reason why you want Costco in particular? They limited their satisfaction guarantee to 90 days for computers, so it's not the peace of mind it used to be.

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