COVID-19 vaccines won't end the pandemic.

Poutinesauce wrote: ↑ How many active cases are there in the whole of Israel today?

There are 677 active cases in the entire country. Ten days ago it was 985. It shrank by a third in ten days!

Hahahaha wow, there are more active cases in my tiny region in Quebec alone!

So, where are the outbreaks of the South African and Indian variant that were sure to come?

I'm still waiting.

Anyone still thinks that variants will start the pandemic all over again? That theory is being proven wrong.

Poutinesauce wrote: ↑ How many active cases are there in the whole of Israel today?

There are 677 active cases in the entire country. Ten days ago it was 985. It shrank by a third in ten days!

Hahahaha wow, there are more active cases in my tiny region in Quebec alone!

So, where are the outbreaks of the South African and Indian variant that were sure to come?

I'm still waiting.

Anyone still thinks that variants will start the pandemic all over again? That theory is being proven wrong.

Phils wrote: ↑ Population of QC 8.45 Million
Population of Israel 9.043 Million

Poutinesauce wrote: ↑ Anyone still thinks that variants will start the pandemic all over again? That theory is being proven wrong.

smartie wrote: ↑ Any new study about how covid impact kids below 12? How easily they can get covid? Whether they actually need vaccines if it's available?

My wife had her first vaccines last week and i will have mine on Saturday. But we still can't travel or do anything if my 10 years old can get covid and be serious sick

smartie wrote: ↑ Any new study about how covid impact kids below 12? How easily they can get covid? Whether they actually need vaccines if it's available?

My wife had her first vaccines last week and i will have mine on Saturday. But we still can't travel or do anything if my 10 years old can get covid and be serious sick

Poutinesauce wrote: ↑ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15039712/ ... n-variant/

Pfizer vaccine 88% effective against Indian variant after one two doses (93% against UK variant), AstraZeneca vaccine 60% effective (66% against UK variant).

After three weeks of one shot, both vaccines were 33% effective against the Indian variant, compared to 50% for the UK strain.

Although these numbers don't make sense. It looks like again, they have not taken out people who have been contaminated during the first 12 days after the first shot, in which there is no immunity.

The real numbers with one shot once immunity is in place is surely well above just 33%. 50% after one shot for the UK variant makes absolutely no sense.

Also the real AstraZeneca numbers after two doses are probably higher because the two doses are given after a longer interval and the vaccine takes longer to reach its full potential.

Bubblejoy1 wrote: ↑ And what about Moderna?

Bubblejoy1 wrote: ↑ And what about Moderna?

blueraindrop wrote: ↑ COVID-19: Current coronavirus vaccines unlikely to protect against new variants in future, SAGE warns

The government's scientific advisers say COVID may continue to evolve for years to come and "eradication is extremely unlikely".

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-cur ... s-12312976

PointsHubby wrote: ↑ Not surprising

Viruses mutate. As long as they exist and can find hosts to feed on.

If we don’t get to herd immunity worldwide ... then ya the virus will continue to exist & evolve.

Canada looks like it will be one country to get there ... so we may have an easier time after ORIGINAL Covid 19 Vaccine
Like a few other countries ... Israel, UK, etc where vaccine acceptance is very high

But if other countries never get to herd immunity ... then new variants will come about that will need to be treated / vaccine tweaked
(Sort of in the same way we treat the annual Influenza / Flu Shot )

If the USA never gets to herd immunity ... they will forever be a source of transmission onto us ... even if we restrict their presence here (vaccine passport required for foreigners visiting Canada) ... a large # of Cdns will always visit the USA ... and in turn some will bring the latest virus home.

* NOTE - only one disease has ever been truly eradicated thru vaccination
And that’s smallpox
Two reasons ...
1- it was a massive killer worldwide
2- it was a very ugly visible disease with its pox
So there was strong motivation the world over to combat it

Covid is an invisible killer.
And unless it starts killing off a large portion of younger otherwise healthy people (or kids)
There’s not gonna be a whole lot of motivation to eradicate it worldwide
Or even for the USA to get their own population vaccinated to 70%+ Herd Immunity

PointsHubby wrote: ↑
If the USA never gets to herd immunity ... they will forever be a source of transmission onto us ... even if we restrict their presence here (vaccine passport required for foreigners visiting Canada) ... a large # of Cdns will always visit the USA ... and in turn some will bring the latest virus home.
...
Or even for the USA to get their own population vaccinated to 70%+ Herd Immunity

ROYinTO wrote: ↑ They have to be getting pretty close to the 70+% for herd immunity. A lot of States have > 50% vaccinated, some > 60% especially those that touch a border or NY. They are continuing with slow and steady progress as the vaccination charts have not flat lined yet.
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/cov ... er-states/
Add to that the > 10% of the population that are confirmed cases.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
And likely more as their health care system is fee based.

Poutinesauce wrote: ↑ The USA situation is really not as dramatic as you could think because although a lot of Republican leaning states and areas or minority heavy ones have more vaccine hesitancy, those same areas have also had greater community transmission.