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So who is going to be downloading it?
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Perhaps this thread needs a poll
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If it helps, I see no reason not to download it. From how I understand it works, nobody's privacy as it stake despite the pearl clutching of a few idiots.

This app is more useful the more people download it, and the greater coverage it has. And you don't even need a data plan to make use of it.
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It's only active in Ontario for now. Coming soon to the rest of the country. I wonder how many RFDers who will eschew this because of privacy concerns, have the Tim Hortons app that tracks everything they do, so they can get a free doughnut.
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I will not be traced by this app. Knowing our govt, who etc i only expect incompetence and nonserious bullshit
Nothing but an eyewash and feelgood measure. Mask wearing is enough
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Our family has all downloaded it, even though we're in BC and BC hasn't activated yet. A question has come up, though. If you state your province and someone from another province is near you or you go to another province, I'm assuming it will still work?
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apnayloags wrote: I will not be traced by this app. Knowing our govt, who etc i only expect incompetence and nonserious bullshit
Nothing but an eyewash and feelgood measure. Mask wearing is enough
It is open source. Any kind of backdoor will easily be exposed.

And you are already being traced if you have a phone. I dont know why you would be concerned with your privacy if you already own a phone. It is the most unsecured tech we have today.
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I probably won't be downloading it. I only enable Bluetooth occasionally when connecting to a device at home and don't plan on changing that.
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Definitely will enable it. These simple steps to stop a world war fight are a no brainer. Can always remove when the issue is resolved.
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Jenny1975 wrote: I probably won't be downloading it. I only enable Bluetooth occasionally when connecting to a device at home and don't plan on changing that.
I tend to leave BT off but BLE takes very little power these days.
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The news networks say the app does not need location data, Bluetooth only, yet...

Health Canada says:
Health Canada | Santé Canada July 31, 2020

"For Android users, location settings must be on for Bluetooth technology to work. However, no location information is stored or transmitted. Google/Apple built in safeguards to ensure government exposure notification apps are unable to infer your location by rotating random IDs assigned to your device so your individual device cannot be tracked."

I would not trust this. We've all heard about how secure apps and websites are only to hear of massive data breaches. They are lying to us.

Bluetooth does not need Location to be turned on.
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KevCnew wrote: https://github.com/cds-snc/covid-alert-app

It's open source so feel free to vet the code.
To be cynical, you're relying on the code in that repository to be the code that was compiled and released as the app. The only way to ensure that happens is to compile your own version of the code and deploy to your machine, which is likely beyond the skillset of many people.

Having said that, I've already installed the app on my phone (even though I'm in Alberta and won't see any benefits for who knows how long). If we were truly concerned about governments/big business/aliens tracking our movements and/or patterns, that ship sailed long ago, and the only way back is to get rid of all your personal electronics and stick to paying cash for everything.

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CNeufeld wrote: To be cynical, you're relying on the code in that repository to be the code that was compiled and released as the app. The only way to ensure that happens is to compile your own version of the code and deploy to your machine, which is likely beyond the skillset of many people.

Having said that, I've already installed the app on my phone (even though I'm in Alberta and won't see any benefits for who knows how long). If we were truly concerned about governments/big business/aliens tracking our movements and/or patterns, that ship sailed long ago, and the only way back is to get rid of all your personal electronics and stick to paying cash for everything.

C
It's hard to imagine why the government would go through so much effort to try and deceive people (with this app, of all things), especially when the whistle would be blown probably by the end of the day if what you suggest were true, and the source code weren't authentic. Compiling it may be beyond the average user's skillset, but enough people can do it now that it'd be accomplished and announced to the entire country in very short order.

It's hardly worth it. They already know more than they'll ever need (or want) to know about every single person who owns a smartphone, no matter how may precautions some of the more paranoid may think they take. The era of that kind of privacy for anyone is well and truly dead, and never coming back. We gave it up for the convenience of Google Maps and being able to order pick-up at our favourite fast food joint at the touch of a button. Fortunately, most people aren't nearly as interesting to the government as they believe themselves to be.
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Bargoonster wrote: The news networks say the app does not need location data, Bluetooth only, yet...

Health Canada says:
Health Canada | Santé Canada July 31, 2020

"For Android users, location settings must be on for Bluetooth technology to work. However, no location information is stored or transmitted. Google/Apple built in safeguards to ensure government exposure notification apps are unable to infer your location by rotating random IDs assigned to your device so your individual device cannot be tracked."

I would not trust this. We've all heard about how secure apps and websites are only to hear of massive data breaches. They are lying to us.

Bluetooth does not need Location to be turned on.
That's how it is on Android actually. You're mixing up location permissions and location services. The app doesn't request location permissions. It's the bluetooth scanning that requires location services.
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TM2Megatron wrote: It's hard to imagine why the government would go through so much effort to try and deceive people (with this app, of all things), especially when the whistle would be blown probably by the end of the day if what you suggest were true, and the source code weren't authentic. Compiling it may be beyond the average user's skillset, but enough people can do it now that it'd be accomplished and announced to the entire country in very short order.

It's hardly worth it. They already know more than they'll ever need (or want) to know about every single person who owns a smartphone, no matter how may precautions some of the more paranoid may think they take. The era of that kind of privacy is well and truly dead. We gave it up for the convenience of Google Maps and being able to order pick-up at our favourite fast food joint at the touch of a button. Fortunately, most people aren't nearly as interesting to the government as they believe themselves to be.
Exactly. I've read the whole "Play Store version might not be the open source version" statement a few times here and there. I feel like that's bordering on conspiracy theories at that point even though you could probably compare the two hashes if you really wanted to.
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TM2Megatron wrote: It's hard to imagine why the government would go through so much effort to try and deceive people (with this app, of all things), especially when the whistle would be blown probably by the end of the day if what you suggest were true, and the source code weren't authentic. Compiling it may be beyond the average user's skillset, but enough people can do it now that it'd be accomplished and announced to the entire country in very short order.

It's hardly worth it. They already know more than they'll ever need (or want) to know about every single person who owns a smartphone, no matter how may precautions some of the more paranoid may think they take. The era of that kind of privacy for anyone is well and truly dead, and never coming back. We gave it up for the convenience of Google Maps and being able to order pick-up at our favourite fast food joint at the touch of a button. Fortunately, most people aren't nearly as interesting to the government as they believe themselves to be.
Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said that the government put up the source code in an effort to appease the masses concerns that they were just being tracked, and that a different version of the app was released with nefarious purposes in mind. I was just saying that releasing a github repository of code doesn't necessarily mean anything.

I'm on your side, with the belief that we're not nearly as interesting to anyone outside of our own minds as we think we are.

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So any alerts yet? I'm wondering how many will actually volunteer their positive test.

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