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Damaged sidewalk after construction

There was some damage done to 2 sidewalk blocks during construction and I understand that the homeowner is financially liable for the damages that the city will have to repair. However, someone has marked 6 blocks to be replaced when there are only 2 damaged. I understand the city has a rule or a policy to replace 3 blocks at the same time but why are good blocks being replaced is beyond me and I will be the one footing the bill. They could replace the 2 damaged blocks and 1 good one between them but I can't get an answer as to why additional 3 are being replaced.

Has anyone dealt with the city on matters similar to this? This is in Etobicoke.
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They probably have a contract with the concrete supplier for a minimum purchase of concrete, in this case it would be enough for 3 sections.
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rcmpvet wrote: They probably have a contract with the concrete supplier for a minimum purchase of concrete, in this case it would be enough for 3 sections.
Yeah, could just be a minimum charge thing, the concrete could cost the same either way, and the crew might have a minimum charge to might as well do more.

Have you been in contact with the City, have they said they will be billing you, and have they provided an estimate to you for cost of works? Even if it is T&M, you can still ask for a quote.
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IIRC, blocks are set in sets of 3 and based on your pic, the insulation sheathing is on the first and 4th block, hence 6 need to be replaced.
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They could simply cut between the blocks, I am not sure why they would have to replace the whole set of blocks if some some of them are good. At least that is what they do in my city, often they will only replace a single block. Concrete production has a major negative environmental impact, I don't think it would look good for the city to replace undamaged blocks.
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koffey wrote: IIRC, blocks are set in sets of 3 and based on your pic, the insulation sheathing is on the first and 4th block, hence 6 need to be replaced.
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What is an insulation sheathing on the sidewalk?
JEDI Force wrote: They could simply cut between the blocks, I am not sure why they would have to replace the whole set of blocks if some some of them are good. At least that is what they do in my city, often they will only replace a single block. Concrete production has a major negative environmental impact, I don't think it would look good for the city to replace undamaged blocks.
Yeah, insanity. They could just replace 2 damaged blocks and 1 in between them if they have a 3 block rule but whatever else needs to happen shouldn't be at a homeowner's expense.
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koleso wrote: What is an insulation sheathing on the sidewalk?


Yeah, insanity. They could just replace 2 damaged blocks and 1 in between them if they have a 3 block rule but whatever else needs to happen shouldn't be at a homeowner's expense.
Concert forms without footings need something to prevent frost heaving and so if you talk a walk where there's slabs of concert, you'll notice something about 1" thick between slabs or in this case, between 3 sections or so of sidewalk. A 3 block rule is a rule, and how can you tear up a middle block without damaging an adjacent piece or keep that from lifting 2" into the sky after a few winters?
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koffey wrote: Concert forms without footings need something to prevent frost heaving and so if you talk a walk where there's slabs of concert, you'll notice something about 1" thick between slabs or in this case, between 3 sections or so of sidewalk. A 3 block rule is a rule, and how can you tear up a middle block without damaging an adjacent piece or keep that from lifting 2" into the sky after a few winters?
Expansion joint? They can replace 2 damaged blocks and a good one in between that will suffice for their 3 block rule.
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koffey wrote: IIRC, blocks are set in sets of 3 and based on your pic, the insulation sheathing is on the first and 4th block, hence 6 need to be replaced.

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That's not insultation sheathing. That's just an expansion joint and the object you circled is a fiber board. You are on the right track though as they will be able to easily pull up the panels starting from the expansion joints. Otherwise they would cause damage to the adjacent panels if they only took the 2 panels out.
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koleso wrote: Expansion joint? They can replace 2 damaged blocks and a good one in between that will suffice for their 3 block rule.
So sheathing, expansion joint, whatever you want to call it. Why don't you ask the city if you don't like what the answer is? I told you why.
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koffey wrote: So sheathing, expansion joint, whatever you want to call it. Why don't you ask the city if you don't like what the answer is? I told you why.
Because the city's sloppy contractors can replace what's damaged if they try hard enough. It's being done in other municipalities, but for whatever reason, it can't be done in Toronto.
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How much are they charging you to get that replaced?
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koleso wrote: Because the city's sloppy contractors can replace what's damaged if they try hard enough.
Ok, and if it was something of yours and someone else had to pay for it, would you want it done improperly just to save time/money? I elect to believe no. Do it right the first time and the way it's supposed to be done. In fact, I believe that you would spend the money and get it done right the first time around regardless of what it is.

Maybe you or your sloppy contractors should have been more careful and try harder. Maybe get your contractors to fix it or pay the bill.
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MetalGear wrote: How much are they charging you to get that replaced?
I don't know yet. It's coming out of my road damage deposit but it looks like the inspector is finding every reason to keep every penny of it.
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koffey wrote: Ok, and if it was something of yours and someone else had to pay for it, would you want it done improperly just to save time/money? I elect to believe no. Do it right the first time and the way it's supposed to be done. In fact, I believe that you would spend the money and get it done right the first time around regardless of what it is.

Maybe you or your sloppy contractors should have been more careful and try harder. Maybe get your contractors to fix it or pay the bill.
The city does very little things right. New curbs poured on my neighbour's property all cracked and chipped after the first month of finishing the job but no one is being held responsible for poor material quality and worksmanship.

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