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lead wrote: millennials don't make 100% tho do they? So I still stand by my original statement as valid."Looking back no one 100% liked the prequels"

Those who did grow up seeing the first trilogy then the prequel...well google has plenty of reviews not very positive that coincide with my memory. With most of the negative surrounding 2 key characters Jar jar and anikan. The character and the actor choice/portrayl. Otherwise everything else considered it was fine but that's the difference why it has survived vs the last trilogy .

I personally think the last trilogy was poor casting, poor character development and too many directors going their own way with no cohesion.
For those of us who experienced the original trilogy during childhood - we experienced it as it rose to power in our culture. I definitely remember a generational divide, where as a kid, I experienced many (mostly outside of North America) older adults who had no idea what I was talking about when I professed my love for Star Wars. Keep in mind - it took much more time for the original trilogy to branch out globally, especially into countries controlled by the USSR.

There most definitely are people who love the prequels.
I'd go even further to say that this love is a direct response to all the hate they normally attract.
Different generations rebel against different things.
In this instance, they are rebelling against the older fanbase that talks down to them and insists that their interpretation of the SW universe is paramount.

I expect the same will be (likely even more) for children who grew up with the Sequels. With so much hatred and pressure coming from older fans, loving the sequels will be the equivalent of flipping the bird to old people and their old ways. Their voice will be akin to the voice of Han, when he disses the mysticism of Obi-Wan while on board the Falcon.
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BernardRyder wrote: I want to upvote this until I get to the last sentence... Then I'm a lot less sure Grimacing Face
No worries, that's why I put that word in ' ', jmo lol.
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shikotee wrote: For those of us who experienced the original trilogy during childhood - we experienced it as it rose to power in our culture. I definitely remember a generational divide, where as a kid, I experienced many (mostly outside of North America) older adults who had no idea what I was talking about when I professed my love for Star Wars. Keep in mind - it took much more time for the original trilogy to branch out globally, especially into countries controlled by the USSR.

There most definitely are people who love the prequels.
I'd go even further to say that this love is a direct response to all the hate they normally attract.
Different generations rebel against different things.
In this instance, they are rebelling against the older fanbase that talks down to them and insists that their interpretation of the SW universe is paramount.

I expect the same will be (likely even more) for children who grew up with the Sequels. With so much hatred and pressure coming from older fans, loving the sequels will be the equivalent of flipping the bird to old people and their old ways. Their voice will be akin to the voice of Han, when he disses the mysticism of Obi-Wan while on board the Falcon.
This is probably really it, that these movies are made for new fans, not old ones. They threw a bone or two in there for the old fans, but all that did is highlight how much they are shitting on the original series by trivializing and ignoring most of it. I don't even consider myself a star wars fan, and hated what they did with the sequels. But in the end, the old fans will move on to other things anyway, and new fans are what the franchise really needs. The "plot holes" don't matter because these really are movies for kids, even more so than the original series.
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shikotee wrote: For those of us who experienced the original trilogy during childhood - we experienced it as it rose to power in our culture. I definitely remember a generational divide, where as a kid, I experienced many (mostly outside of North America) older adults who had no idea what I was talking about when I professed my love for Star Wars. Keep in mind - it took much more time for the original trilogy to branch out globally, especially into countries controlled by the USSR.

There most definitely are people who love the prequels.
I'd go even further to say that this love is a direct response to all the hate they normally attract.
Different generations rebel against different things.
In this instance, they are rebelling against the older fanbase that talks down to them and insists that their interpretation of the SW universe is paramount.

I expect the same will be (likely even more) for children who grew up with the Sequels. With so much hatred and pressure coming from older fans, loving the sequels will be the equivalent of flipping the bird to old people and their old ways. Their voice will be akin to the voice of Han, when he disses the mysticism of Obi-Wan while on board the Falcon.
I think there was a division at the get go on the prequel. The order of viewing creates the division the first time you watch!

Those who saw the prequel first loved it. Hey why not its cool as it is and nothing to go on.

Those who grew up with big bad Vader and the "I'm your father" emedded deep!! Weren't to impressed with the prequel's Anakin?

It was much less impactful for the Darth Vader character. There is no way they would react the same way to..."I am your father". Like they did in the 80's. Which was a huge "who shot JR" or "the six sense", or "there is no santa" piece of information culturally we all didn't want to spoil for others........... But of course as usual older siblings did anyway!

I made my kids watch the middle trilogy first the way Lucas meant it!LOL
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The Mandalorian was a fun series. The whole western theme thing was well done. Good production quality.

Also ... the Prequels were good films. I said it. You all know it. The opening of the Revenge of the Sith is still probably one of the best scenes in all of Star Wars media. You know it your heart to be true.

The most recent trilogy is complete and utter trash. The porn parodies have better acting.
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I made my kids watch the middle trilogy first the way Lucas meant it!LOL
First generation SW fans like myself like to watch Episodes 4 to 6 first. However, George Lucas himself has recommended 1 to 6 in chronological order. I'm too lazy to put the links, but it's all there on google plus of course the Machete Order. LOL
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Mr_Fanta wrote: First generation SW fans like myself like to watch Episodes 4 to 6 first. However, George Lucas himself has recommended 1 to 6 in chronological order. I'm too lazy to put the links, but it's all there on google plus of course the Machete Order. LOL
So even Lucas himself said don't watch the sequels lol :D
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Mr_Fanta wrote:
First generation SW fans like myself like to watch Episodes 4 to 6 first. However, George Lucas himself has recommended 1 to 6 in chronological order. I'm too lazy to put the links, but it's all there on google plus of course the Machete Order. LOL
tranquility922 wrote: So even Lucas himself said don't watch the sequels lol :D
Count me in as belonging to the 4-6 then 1-3 camp! I find the tonal shift and film technology shift going from 1-3 then 4-6 just too jarring whereas the other way is not so much. Dunno, maybe it's just the way I've watched them as a kid - as theatrically released.
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7-9? Ahh, how to inject myself into this discussion that's been going on for pages? OK here it goes. I DON'T LIKE THE SEQUEL TRILOGY. I never will. It's a narrative mess and no one can possibly deny this FACT. The PT, faults and all ("Yippee!", "Sand gets everywhere", etc) had at least some kind of a storytelling plan that flowed through all three movies. I like the Mandalorian very much and, truth is, I've pretty much already stricken the sequel trilogy from my mind; particularly in light of the S2 finale. Really, I can't for the life of me recall the plot of any of those movies nor the trilogy as a whole.

And somehow I think that might be what Disney is hoping for in order to distance itself from the sequel trilogy as gracefully as possible. Have a bunch of new series set in the early period after RotJ. Spend as much time there as possible without advancing too far into Ep7 territory. Build up some temporal distance so that the sequel trilogy adequately fades from fandom consciousness. So when it's time to advance the SW universe significantly forward in a couple of years, Disney can save face when they demote the ST to Legends status.

Hey, in the end, I certainly wont fault anyone for liking the Disney movies. There are things that I do like about them. I'm also not a "SJW hater". I do like Rey. I have no problem with Rose. In fact, all the characters are for the most part likeable if bland. But I do appreciate a reciprocity of this courtesy by not being accused of being a "hater", or "fanboy" or not "woke", or "mysogyist", "butthurt", etc.
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Mr_Fanta wrote: However, George Lucas himself has recommended 1 to 6 in chronological order.
The best moment in the entire series was, "I am your father," so everyone should be watching 4/5/6 first. That's one of the finest moments ever in the history of movies.

Ewan/Kenobi alone makes the prequels better than the sequels. I did like the final movie, though, because of the Leia/Carrie_Fisher role.

Jar Jar Abrams: from a top dog to franchise killer :D .
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The original trilogy's most memorable moment for me was the Death Star run. Seeing that as a kid was a dream come true, especially with the explosion at the end.
I can't think of anything stand out in the Prequels apart from The Duel of Fates. The stand out sequel moment was... um, knowing it was over by the last movie's closing credits?

The Mandalorian's stand out moment to me was him opening the crib and finding Baby Yoda. It stood out to me because it suggested so many possibilities for the story to go in, and the first two seasons didn't disappoint in that regard.
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The Mandalorian showrunner Jon Favreau clarifies what The Book of Boba Fett is
Jon Favreau is clarifying that somewhat confusing end title card from The Mandalorian season 2.

Appearing on Good Morning America on Monday, the showrunner and director explained that The Book of Boba Fett will indeed be a stand-alone spin-off series — not some sort of replacement for The Mandalorian season 3, even though both titles will premiere December 2021.

Temuera Morrison (Boba Fett) and Ming-Na Wen (Fennec Shand) will star. In addition, Robert Rodriguez (who directed an action-filled Boba Fett-centric episode in season 2) is joining the new show's executive producing team (and will almost certainly direct an episode as well).

"We didn't want to spoil the surprise during the big Kathleen Kennedy announcement of all the shows [during Investor Day earlier this month], so they let me keep this one a secret, " Favreau says. "So this is actually separate from The Mandalorian season 3.
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BernardRyder wrote: The original trilogy's most memorable moment for me was the Death Star run. Seeing that as a kid was a dream come true, especially with the explosion at the end.
I can't think of anything stand out in the Prequels apart from The Duel of Fates. The stand out sequel moment was... um, knowing it was over by the last movie's closing credits?

The Mandalorian's stand out moment to me was him opening the crib and finding Baby Yoda. It stood out to me because it suggested so many possibilities for the story to go in, and the first two seasons didn't disappoint in that regard.
Yup - the Death Star run was legendary. The tension built up by the John Williams score, with all hope seemingly lost, then the mystical rift accompanied by that beyond the dead voice of guidance: "Use the Force Luke". As an adult, I much more appreciate the inherent critique with how technology can make monsters, and how rejecting automation and believing in yourself is paramount.

For the Prequels, the fight with Maul was most remarkable for me. Completely changed how lightsabres worked. In original trilogy, by design, it was stylised as a two handed weapon that was heavy and difficult to control. With prequels, a very different light handed approach which could incorporate all sorts of stunning acrobatic visuals (and, of course, a double ended lightsabre). Loved how it was shot, especially with Qui Gonn meditating before his final battle, and the devastation to see him die by lightsabre stabbing. Without doubt, Duel of the Fates is the most remarkable piece of music.

For the sequels, I think I mostly enjoyed how we first met Finn and Rey in Force Awakens. I think the visuals captured how traumatizing being a Stormtrooper could be. From a music perspective, I most enjoyed the rift played while Rey was dumpster diving through Imperial wreckage. I think the mystery of both characters was well setup - unfortunately, nothing near as enjoyable in the next two films.

As of now, I'm not sure what the stand out moment is for me for Mandalorian. For now, I'd say the IG-11 arc. It was wonderful to see him in action with Mando - and even more awesome when Kuiil rebuilt him and retrained him. I thought it was wonderful because it deep dived into New Hope mythology, reminding us that many people did not trust droids. I very much appreciated the wisdom Kuiil shared: "Droids are not good or bad. They are neutral reflections of those who imprint them."
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Fascinating:

Jon Favreau Confirms Mark Hamill Was on ‘The Mandalorian’ Set to Film Luke Skywalker Finale Scene
In his first public interview about the finale, Favreau confirmed to “Good Morning America” that Hamill was involved in Luke’s return in far more than just a voiceover capacity. Similar to Robert De Niro in “The Irishman,” Hamill filmed Luke’s “Mandalorian” cameo on set and VFX technology was used to de-age the character.

“We started off the whole series with the Baby Yoda reveal – with the Grogu reveal – that was a secret that everybody was really blown away by,” Favreau said. “Part of that is not telling too many people, not having merchandise that’s being tooled up and announced and everything. And then the very last episode having Mark Hamill actually on set filming and us using whatever technology we had available to de-age him and try to make him look as much like he did in the old films.”
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Mr_Fanta wrote: First generation SW fans like myself like to watch Episodes 4 to 6 first. However, George Lucas himself has recommended 1 to 6 in chronological order. I'm too lazy to put the links, but it's all there on google plus of course the Machete Order. LOL
Really lucas recomends that? Cccccrazy!

You know who Lukes dad is if you watch it that way? Nope! Bad idea. Its 4-6 then 1-3 and ...then mandalorian!

Did he recommend to view it that way around the time he wrote indianna jones 4? Cause that wasn't his best year! :facepalm:
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lead wrote: I don't quite getthe timeline. "what Kathy called 'the next chapter' — is going to be The Book of Boba Fett, and then we go into production right after that on The Mandalorian,"

so if fett is out in 21 do we wait for mandalorian to come in 22?
I'm sure they will clarify as we get closer. One full year to go, lol.
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Boba Fett will be a new series, and Mandalorian will continue on without Boba Fett. I think with all the new SW series they risk diluting the brand. They have way too many things going on for next year. Very few people have time to tune into that many SW shows. When they inevitable have movies based on the shows people will be so bored of the characters.

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