Do you think WFH will be the norm going forward

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Poll: WFH long term prediction

Total votes: 191. You have voted on this poll.

Widespread full time WFH (everyone stays home 5 days a week): 19; 10%

Widespread part time WFH (everyone stays home 2-4 days a week): 105; 55%

Widespread 1 day WFH (everyone stays home 1 day a week - common in tech pre covid): 33; 17%

Pre covid status quo, (Most go into office everyday, some WFH 1 day a week, and small % are fulltime WFH): 34; 18%

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Nov 9th, 2020 1:31 pm

lolbeast [OP]: Deal Addict; Apr 29, 2010; 1601 posts; 3283 upvotes; GTA

Nov 9th, 2020 1:31 pm

Do you think WFH will be the norm going forward

With news of the successful vaccine, a lot of boomer stonks are up bigly.

Airlines, hotels up, GM is up, GE up, etc.

Tech stonks are breakeven (or down lol - FAGMAN mostly down).

Becky stonks and meme stonks not doing well anymore.

So this is a small pullback / reversal of the covid times.

However, do you think widespread WFH will be here to stay? I'm talking about multiple days of WFH a week, or fulltime WFH.

Obviously only applicable to tech fields and those who can work effectively from their home computer (banking, finance, accounting, certain engineering, etc)

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Nov 9th, 2020 1:58 pm

DecayHeat: Member; Oct 29, 2015; 429 posts; 234 upvotes

Nov 9th, 2020 1:58 pm

your meme language makes it tough to understand what you're saying

+16

Nov 9th, 2020 2:09 pm

lolbeast [OP]: Deal Addict; Apr 29, 2010; 1601 posts; 3283 upvotes; GTA

Nov 9th, 2020 2:09 pm

Lots of boomers on this forum I guess

+1

Nov 9th, 2020 2:15 pm

CondoMan98: Deal Addict; Nov 5, 2018; 2916 posts; 5211 upvotes; Toronto

Nov 9th, 2020 2:15 pm

lolbeast wrote: ↑Lots of boomers on this forum I guess

Lazy excuse for not getting the reaction you wanted.

Called the bottom.

+7

Nov 9th, 2020 2:16 pm

MoNaMi1: Newbie; Sep 6, 2019; 93 posts; 77 upvotes

Nov 9th, 2020 2:16 pm

lolbeast wrote: ↑ Lots of boomers on this forum I guess

Think you meant to go on WSB

Nov 9th, 2020 2:17 pm

lolbeast [OP]: Deal Addict; Apr 29, 2010; 1601 posts; 3283 upvotes; GTA

Nov 9th, 2020 2:17 pm

CondoMan98 wrote: ↑ Lazy excuse for not getting the reaction you wanted.

I don’t care about the reaction I just want to gauge the sentiment via pole

Nov 9th, 2020 2:26 pm

NotRobot: Deal Addict; May 9, 2017; 1251 posts; 1384 upvotes

Nov 9th, 2020 2:26 pm

lolbeast wrote: ↑ I don’t care about the reaction I just want to gauge the sentiment via pole

*poll

unless your use of pole is your non-boomer way to say poll

+6

Nov 9th, 2020 2:29 pm

lolbeast [OP]: Deal Addict; Apr 29, 2010; 1601 posts; 3283 upvotes; GTA

Nov 9th, 2020 2:29 pm

NotRobot wrote: ↑ *poll

unless your use of pole is your non-boomer way to say poll

I know what I said

Nov 9th, 2020 2:33 pm

ozzie16: Deal Addict; Oct 27, 2012; 2968 posts; 4883 upvotes; Toronto

Nov 9th, 2020 2:33 pm

Lol no.

Permanent WFH places - might as well say goodbye to your job in the next few years.

I'd say a blend will be more common, maybe 1-2 days a week for people who didn't already have that. My office already had a 1-2 day/week WFH policy way before COVID, so no change for us. I might not even make use of it going forward as I've been WFH for too damn long.

Nov 9th, 2020 2:42 pm

lolbeast [OP]: Deal Addict; Apr 29, 2010; 1601 posts; 3283 upvotes; GTA

Nov 9th, 2020 2:42 pm

ozzie16 wrote: ↑ Lol no.

Permanent WFH places - might as well say goodbye to your job in the next few years.

I'd say a blend will be more common, maybe 1-2 days a week for people who didn't already have that. My office already had a 1-2 day/week WFH policy way before COVID, so no change for us. I might not even make use of it going forward as I've been WFH for too damn long.

Yes Im sure outsourcing to Indians and Vietnam hasnt been attempted before

Companies tried this and then realized those people produce junk work. Had to bring all the contracts back and hire locally.

The reason they pay and hire in Toronto / Shanghai / NYC / SF is not because you happen to live here . Its because the TALENT is in those cities. Those cities have the best schools, attract the best new grads, and produce the most talented developers. Some dude on the otherside of the world will not be able to provide this level of value.

+3

Nov 9th, 2020 2:56 pm

MarinersFanatik: Deal Addict; Jun 14, 2018; 1327 posts; 1635 upvotes

Nov 9th, 2020 2:56 pm

There will be a blend. It will vary company by company, but also department by department within a specific company. Some department managers will want their employees in the office full-time, and some will allow their employees to WFH full-time. There will also be some employees that will want to come to the office part-time so they have some social interaction.

+2

Nov 9th, 2020 2:59 pm

lolbeast [OP]: Deal Addict; Apr 29, 2010; 1601 posts; 3283 upvotes; GTA

Nov 9th, 2020 2:59 pm

MarinersFanatik wrote: ↑ There will be a blend. It will vary company by company, but also department by department within a specific company. Some department managers will want their employees in the office full-time, and some will allow their employees to WFH full-time. There will also be some employees that will want to come to the office part-time so they have some social interaction.

This is my opinion too. It will vary team by team, department by department. Basically it’s up to the culture/boss, in my opinion.

Nov 9th, 2020 3:08 pm

atom2020: Deal Addict; Nov 2, 2020; 1438 posts; 2076 upvotes

Nov 9th, 2020 3:08 pm

ozzie16 wrote: ↑ Lol no.

Permanent WFH places - might as well say goodbye to your job in the next few years.

I'd say a blend will be more common, maybe 1-2 days a week for people who didn't already have that. My office already had a 1-2 day/week WFH policy way before COVID, so no change for us. I might not even make use of it going forward as I've been WFH for too damn long.

I agree I think it will be a blend. Prior to COVID we had adopted 1 day a week WFH, and other departments had 2-3 days already. So I am thinking this works well from a work life balance perspective, and of course for those commuting from far away it sort of helps them so they are not stuck in traffic for hours and hours 5x a week. I do think for some companies who did not have wfh perhaps it helped create a shift in thinking - like maybe wfh a few times a week could be positive for employees and their overall satisfaction. It kind of gave them the opportunity to realize people can get things done and not necessarily have to be seated in the office. Of course there will always be people who take advantage of such policies - but they also will be the ones not performing when they are seated in the office.

Nov 9th, 2020 3:13 pm

DaMan12: Deal Addict; Jan 15, 2010; 1565 posts; 1918 upvotes; Toronto

Nov 9th, 2020 3:13 pm

If a company believes they are viable with 100% WFH they will stay that way. But this will probably only be a select few tech related companies that might maintain a small office space.

For other businesses, I think there will be permanent WFH reductions for a minor amount of support staff positions at most places (probably 5-10% max) and then everybody else having flex days, maybe 1 per week or every 2 weeks. I don't see much more being allowed. Some companies won't change at all, especially those run by an older skewing management group.

+2

Nov 9th, 2020 3:13 pm

ozzie16: Deal Addict; Oct 27, 2012; 2968 posts; 4883 upvotes; Toronto

Nov 9th, 2020 3:13 pm

atom2020 wrote: ↑ I agree I think it will be a blend. Prior to COVID we had adopted 1 day a week WFH, and other departments had 2-3 days already. So I am thinking this works well from a work life balance perspective, and of course for those commuting from far away it sort of helps them so they are not stuck in traffic for hours and hours 5x a week. I do think for some companies who did not have wfh perhaps it helped create a shift in thinking - like maybe wfh a few times a week could be positive for employees and their overall satisfaction. It kind of gave them the opportunity to realize people can get things done and not necessarily have to be seated in the office. Of course there will always be people who take advantage of such policies - but they also will be the ones not performing when they are seated in the office.

Yeah one of my previous employers was very facetime heavy - they had the infrastructure but actively discouraged WFH. Moving forward it sounds like they'll be moving to a blended model at least after speaking to some of my former colleagues. But ultimately it comes down to the position. For example, in a corporate/transactional legal practice, we were 100% functional WFH, but litigation teams less so, especially as hearings move out of a fully virtual format.

Nov 9th, 2020 3:22 pm

MarinersFanatik: Deal Addict; Jun 14, 2018; 1327 posts; 1635 upvotes

Nov 9th, 2020 3:22 pm

lolbeast wrote: ↑ This is my opinion too. It will vary team by team, department by department. Basically it’s up to the culture/boss, in my opinion.

I think it will shift more towards WFH, though. Talked to a friend who was doing full-time WFH, and he said that if his company ever made him go back to the office (not sure in what capacity, if just part-time or full-time), that he would quit and go find a job that offered WFH. He was pretty adamant about it too. So the companies that don't offer WFH will have to compete with companies that do offer WFH for quality employees. That might eventually shift their philosophy towards WFH.

+1

Nov 9th, 2020 3:34 pm

lolbeast [OP]: Deal Addict; Apr 29, 2010; 1601 posts; 3283 upvotes; GTA

Nov 9th, 2020 3:34 pm

MarinersFanatik wrote: ↑ I think it will shift more towards WFH, though. Talked to a friend who was doing full-time WFH, and he said that if his company ever made him go back to the office (not sure in what capacity, if just part-time or full-time), that he would quit and go find a job that offered WFH. He was pretty adamant about it too. So the companies that don't offer WFH will have to compete with companies that do offer WFH for quality employees. That might eventually shift their philosophy towards WFH.

This makes sense. Pre covid, my mom and a family friend were full time WFH at different firms.

It started off with flex spacing, everyone lost their seats.

Then, you must WFH 4 days of the week.

Then it turned into you must come into the office every other Wednesday.

Then they just ended the building lease entirely.

Myself, I plan to WFH full time. I no longer plan to work any job that requires me to go into the office.

+1

Nov 9th, 2020 3:55 pm

moeymoeymoeymoe: Sr. Member; May 7, 2015; 844 posts; 1345 upvotes; Toronto, ON

Nov 9th, 2020 3:55 pm

lolbeast wrote: ↑ Lots of boomers on this forum I guess

I’m not a boomer. Want to try posting in English this time?

+3

Nov 9th, 2020 3:57 pm

lolbeast [OP]: Deal Addict; Apr 29, 2010; 1601 posts; 3283 upvotes; GTA

Nov 9th, 2020 3:57 pm

moeymoeymoeymoe wrote: ↑ I’m not a boomer. Want to try posting in English this time?

Nov 9th, 2020 4:01 pm

moeymoeymoeymoe: Sr. Member; May 7, 2015; 844 posts; 1345 upvotes; Toronto, ON

Nov 9th, 2020 4:01 pm

lolbeast wrote: ↑

I don’t get the reference. Try posting the question on Reddit lol

+1

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