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Does Rogers Outrank Bell in ISP Speed?

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Does Rogers Outrank Bell in ISP Speed?

I'm a Rogers customer, and I'm a little concerned. We don't have netflix, and I would have thought Rogers outrank Bell and Telus, but I've been reading about how Rogers ranked last in speeds, and wondering if it's going to be enough for us to sign up to netflix with.
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This is the Netflix blog post with the updated numbers for May: http://blog.netflix.com/2014/06/netflix ... r-may.html

Canada was just added in April. The May blog post shows +/- changes from April.

It's not entirely clear how these numbers are derived, although one might assume that it's the average sustained streaming speed that the Netflix client apps negotiate interactively with the Netflix cloud servers for each ISP. But it's all part of the net-neutrality dispute that Netflix is having with the ISPs (see for example http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/09 ... down_spat/).

Here's what I know from my own use of Netflix, based on the test clips that Netflix provides and the newer client apps that display the negotiated speed when playing a test clip:
- Streaming "medium" quality uses about 1.5 Mbps
- Streaming "high" quality uses about 5.5 Mbps
- Using Shaw 10 Mbps internet service (and formerly 7.5 Mbps), I've never seen any slowdown while streaming Netflix, and there's no reason why I should

So what's up with the published Netflix numbers? Well, if they're really based on on the negotiated client speeds, I wonder if they're including people who are deliberately streaming medium quality to keep the monthly data usage below their cap? Or including wireless mobile WiFi devices like tablets that may run slower? Or mixing people who have slow 1.5 Mbps or 2.5 Mbps internet service (still common in the U.S.) with people who have 150 Mbps service from the same ISP? If so, the numbers may not mean much.
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Pretty sure videotron uses the rogers network, and it's twice as fast? I wouldn't put too much stock in those findings. Probably funded by Bell anyway lol. I have Rogers 35/2 and it runs netflix in SuperHD without issue.
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Speed varies greatly depending on where you live. Some areas Rogers is faster, some areas Bell is faster, some areas Telus is faster, etc... but everyone advertises they are the fastest.
walker2238 wrote: For Netflix anything "high-speed" plan will do. HD is another story.

Your main concern will be is if your cap is enough.
I agree with this. Unless you live out in the middle of no where, you should be able to get high enough speed... cap becomes more of an issue.
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Every broadband provider can handle Netflix, it's just a matter of how much information it can get to your TV in a given amount of time; the differences are differences of degree, not capacity vs. incapacity.

You know how you sometimes had to pause videos to let them load? It's like that.

Slower connections will have to lower the visual quality, because video files are big, but any proper broadband company including Rogers can handle Netflix.

You can check your internet speeds on your own computer pretty easily from online sites like http://www.speedtest.net
wayt wrote: I'm a Rogers customer, and I'm a little concerned. We don't have netflix, and I would have thought Rogers outrank Bell and Telus, but I've been reading about how Rogers ranked last in speeds, and wondering if it's going to be enough for us to sign up to netflix with.
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Not sure why this would be an issue since you have absolutely nothing to lose with the free 1 month trial. Sign up and test drive the crap out of it with every quality available.
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+1 This, so long as you have unlimited bandwidth and "going crazy" on it won't ding you with overage fees.
Cas77 wrote: Not sure why this would be an issue since you have absolutely nothing to lose with the free 1 month trial. Sign up and test drive the crap out of it with every quality available.
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I tried the Rogers Speed Test - it's a pretty handy tool.

http://www.rogers.com/web/Rogers.portal ... speedcheck

It'll give you a visual of your download/upload speeds, and explain any issues you might see. When I ran my own speed test, I got something a little lower than I expected, and some latency issues, but that's likely because I have so many things running in the background.
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rand486 wrote: I tried the Rogers Speed Test - it's a pretty handy tool.

http://www.rogers.com/web/Rogers.portal ... speedcheck

It'll give you a visual of your download/upload speeds, and explain any issues you might see. When I ran my own speed test, I got something a little lower than I expected, and some latency issues, but that's likely because I have so many things running in the background.
Speedtests won't give you accurate speeds for Netflix though.
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wayt wrote: I'm a Rogers customer, and I'm a little concerned. We don't have netflix, and I would have thought Rogers outrank Bell and Telus, but I've been reading about how Rogers ranked last in speeds, and wondering if it's going to be enough for us to sign up to netflix with.
You'd be better off asking who has any problem with Netflix and if they do what is their package and provider. I haven't seen anybody complain about netflix through any provider.
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Rogers customer here. No issues with Netflix (or Hulu through VPN for that matter).
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I can't tell for video, but I use my line to remote in to work a lot. Used both Bell and Rogers at the same location through their free trial period, Bell feels a bit smoother than Rogers.
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Sometimes, I wonder why we even have to ask these kinds of questions... didn't Canada used to have the best, cheapest broadband in the world at one point? What happened? :(
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ToniCipriani wrote: I can't tell for video, but I use my line to remote in to work a lot. Used both Bell and Rogers at the same location through their free trial period, Bell feels a bit smoother than Rogers.
The question is what does "work" use for a provider. If it is Bell, then there would be an advantage because the data never leaves their own network.
Ender666666 wrote: Same here actually, streaming through VPN perfectly, using Express (25Mbps) although my VPN limits it to about 10Mbps
If you are still on express, does one of the new packages give you more for the same price. Remember that the old ones did not include modem rental.

[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-V7_70cbHGto/U ... Rogers.jpg[/IMG]
rand486 wrote: Sometimes, I wonder why we even have to ask these kinds of questions... didn't Canada used to have the best, cheapest broadband in the world at one point? What happened? :(
Best yes. Cheapest, in comparison to the USA. USA has many advantages such as density, less bureaucracy, less taxes, cheaper labour and less public opinion when they want to install equipment that would be struck down here by NIMBY.
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AudiDude wrote: The question is what does "work" use for a provider. If it is Bell, then there would be an advantage because the data never leaves their own network.



If you are still on express, does one of the new packages give you more for the same price. Remember that the old ones did not include modem rental.

[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-V7_70cbHGto/U ... Rogers.jpg[/IMG]



Best yes. Cheapest, in comparison to the USA. USA has many advantages such as density, less bureaucracy, less taxes, cheaper labour and less public opinion when they want to install equipment that would be struck down here by NIMBY.
Nope, I have the Express with the $30 unlimited add-on. Express because my VPN is slower than the 25Mbps that Express offers. NO point in paying more.
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Ender666666 wrote: Nope, I have the Express with the $30 unlimited add-on. Express because my VPN is slower than the 25Mbps that Express offers. NO point in paying more.
$54.99 Hi-Speed Express (25/2) + $8.00 modem rental + $30 unlimited usage = $92.99 + tax

Whereas:

$61.99 Hybrid Fibre 30 (30/5) + $25 unlimited usage = $86.99 + tax.

So my question to you is: Why not switch to the newer package, pay less and get more speed?
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Hi, me again. So, just got Netflix after we talked about it and read the threads. Thanks ender666666, our speeds pretty good, from what I can tell. We havent noticed any problems with Netflix except that the selection in Canadas not as good as my friends in the US. Its fine
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Had Rogers before making the switch to contact.net (not because of service, but price).
When I was with Rogers, Netflix and everything else I did on the internet worked perfectly fine. Speeds were always as promised.

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