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Does Tangerine's mortgage switch promotion make it worth while to move over?

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Does Tangerine's mortgage switch promotion make it worth while to move over?

Got an email offer from Tangerine trying to get me to move my mortgage over. It comes off as a very aggressive play and they've certainly got my interest, but am wondering if I'm seeing the whole picture. See details below:

- Will beat Big Bank rate offer by at least .05% (Big Bank offer must be provided in writing)
- Applicable to terms of 3yrs or greater, with a minimum mortgage amount of $150,000
- Will cover up to $1500 for legal, appraisal and discharge costs (but not penalties)
- Applications must be submitted Mar 12 and Jul 31

Has anyone else got this offer? Anything I should be asking before engaging?
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Agreed, pretty miserable offer, however among top5 banks can be considered as "a little bit agressive".
Big Bank rates are always super high, no coverage for penalties...this offer is worse than reaching any mortgage broker.
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soupmaster666 wrote: When you factor in all costs, including penalties, do you come out ahead?

Aside from the interest rate, how are all the other terms? If you decide Tangerine isn't for you, how much will it cost you to switch back?
Thankfully my mortgage is up for renewal in next few months so there won't be a penalty if I switch over. The other terms seem pretty standard... the pre-payment options are actually richer than the big banks at 25% lump sum and 25% payment increase each yr.
If I had to switch back I imagine it would be the same pre-payment penalties to break as any other bank. There's no mention of a higher penalty calculation associated with the offer in the fine print, and cost disclosure is regulatory for banks these days.
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GalvToronto wrote: Agreed, pretty miserable offer, however among top5 banks can be considered as "a little bit agressive".
Big Bank rates are always super high, no coverage for penalties...this offer is worse than reaching any mortgage broker.
At first I thought the same...what's the big deal about beating a posted rate by any bank?? But when I read about having to submit a bank's rate offer in writing it made me curious so I called. Their discount applies to the best bank rate offered in writing. So if you're expecting to be offered better than posted from your big bank, which I am, whatever the bank's best offer is in writing, they'll beat it by .05% or more. As long as it matches the qualifying criteria.

Brokers may be able to do better, but I prefer doing the leg work myself.
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Yeah for sure, bank advertising rate is much higher than real rate (available through brokers). But even real rates for big banks are not a competition comparing to smaller lenders.
Generally they give you same bad deal that any big bank gives, but they pay very little (0.05%) for getting you as a customer. Obviously they need you at the moment for some reasons.

I remember few months ago, HSBC decided to heavily expand into canadian mortgage market. It gave much lower variable rate than any other bank.
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DKR1091 wrote: Got an email offer from Tangerine trying to get me to move my mortgage over. It comes off as a very aggressive play and they've certainly got my interest, but am wondering if I'm seeing the whole picture. See details below:

- Will beat Big Bank rate offer by at least .05% (Big Bank offer must be provided in writing)
- Applicable to terms of 3yrs or greater, with a minimum mortgage amount of $150,000
- Will cover up to $1500 for legal, appraisal and discharge costs (but not penalties)
- Applications must be submitted Mar 12 and Jul 31

Has anyone else got this offer? Anything I should be asking before engaging?
Best mortgage rate is 2.99% 5-year fixed and Prime -1.24% 5-year variable via non-bank lenders. If you don't have a collateral charge, appraisal and legal fees are usually covered.

So no, Tangerine's offer isn't that good.
Kevin Somnauth, CFA
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CdnRealEstateGuy wrote: Best mortgage rate is 2.99% 5-year fixed and Prime -1.24% 5-year variable via non-bank lenders. If you don't have a collateral charge, appraisal and legal fees are usually covered.

So no, Tangerine's offer isn't that good.
Those certainly great rates but I believe there are relationship advantages to having more business with a bank. Its definitely in the past with other matters. I'm now waiting to see what's the best rate I can get from current bank. Hoping they reach the 3.05 to 3.14 range so Tangerine coming 0.05% or more below really makes it worth while. If that's not the case, then perhaps I would consider the non-bank lender route.
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I got the offer as well. I understand the Broker angle, one would have to prefer or want to deal with a bank directly in this case. I thought it was pretty bold to guarantee a better rate. Also I haven’t been able to get $1,500 covered by my broker though. I figured Big Banks would match this amount. Have you tried this?
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CTAP23 wrote: I got the offer as well. I understand the Broker angle, one would have to prefer or want to deal with a bank directly in this case. I thought it was pretty bold to guarantee a better rate. Also I haven’t been able to get $1,500 covered by my broker though. I figured Big Banks would match this amount. Have you tried this?
Not sure what brokers will cover, they probably get some of it through lender they deal with, but my experience is that it wouldn't be to the extent of $1500. I think appraisal costs for sure, but not likely much beyond that. I haven't applied yet for the offer yet as I haven't gotten a best rate in writing from home bank, but am eager to do so. Hoping they go beyond the guaranteed .05% discount.
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Just did my application with Tangerine. They beat the BMO promo and gave me 3.24% and gave me the $1,500. I didn’t pay as much attention to the features before but the mortgage guy said that there are no restrictions compared to BMO. Not sure what he means.
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CTAP23 wrote: I got the offer as well. I understand the Broker angle, one would have to prefer or want to deal with a bank directly in this case. I thought it was pretty bold to guarantee a better rate. Also I haven’t been able to get $1,500 covered by my broker though. I figured Big Banks would match this amount. Have you tried this?
What is the $1500 cost for? Do you have a collateral charge at the moment? If not, legals and appraisals are usually covered for transfers.

Keep in mind:

1-Tangerine and all Big Banks have a horrendous IRD penalty calc.
2-If they are re-registering the mortgage, it will be a collateral charge (all TD, Tangerine and National Bank mortgages are collateral charges)
Kevin Somnauth, CFA
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Cdnrealestateguy - I do have a collateral charge, and prefer it for convenience. So in my switch I will be paying to re register. The $1500 covers all of my costs including appraisal. Thanks for info on penalty, hard for me to quantify tbh; my track record is to stay till end of term.

Mortgagenoob - thanks for sharing I didn’t realize this until you said it. I checked on their website and you are right. I called Tangerine today since they gave me 3.24%. They told me they will give me 3.14% if I can show an approval at 3.19%. Might as well try it.
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CTAP23 wrote: Cdnrealestateguy - I do have a collateral charge, and prefer it for convenience. So in my switch I will be paying to re register. The $1500 covers all of my costs including appraisal. Thanks for info on penalty, hard for me to quantify tbh; my track record is to stay till end of term.

Mortgagenoob - thanks for sharing I didn’t realize this until you said it. I checked on their website and you are right. I called Tangerine today since they gave me 3.24%. They told me they will give me 3.14% if I can show an approval at 3.19%. Might as well try it.
Thanks for info CTAP123. Its good to know they'd consider making exceptions outside of big banks. HSBC is a fairly well known lender. The best rate I've found to date is the BMO 3.29%, so the HSBC 3.19% helps. As for penalties, I've read that big banks use posted rates to calculate IRD even if your term rate is much lower, but I don't see that with Tangerine as their posted rates are their lowest rates. So I wouldn't group them with the other banks on the penalty front.
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on a $500k mortgage, you will save $250 a year....$1,250 over 5 years.

All things considered, probably not worth the hassle. May be better to tell your current bank to give a better rate.....
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ssj4_ootaku1 wrote: on a $500k mortgage, you will save $250 a year....$1,250 over 5 years.

All things considered, probably not worth the hassle. May be better to tell your current bank to give a better rate.....
Way I see it, even if I were to go back to home bank for a match or beat, Tangerine would then just better that again by at least 0.05%. So any back and forth with home bank will end up improving the 0.05% discount. At some pt home bank will become aware of Tangerine promo, if not already the case, and cap their offer. The 3.19% at HSBC is best so far, any better rates out there from big banks?

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