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Ducati Buyers Beware: My 2014 899 Panigale Odometer Rolled Back for Sale

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Sonduren wrote: Update: Seller has threatened to call the police via Kijiji. I have had and continue to have conversations with OMVIC & Regional Police about this.
I made a video with all the details of the encounter and next steps:


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Thats drama! But he deserved it for scamming.
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EP32k2 wrote: Are bikes not sold with a UVIP just like cars? If so the mileage reporting would be inconsistent with the stated mileage on the odometer unless the previous owner/s misreported as well...
Sonduren wrote: This is correct. The important thing is many sellers will try to sell the motorcycle by sharing a carfax or similar without providing a UVIP, telling the buyers to "get it when you register the bike" aka when it's to late and the transaction is done.
Please make sure to always ask for the IN HAND PAPER COPY OF THE UVIP.
Pete_Coach wrote: Also, when you register the bike, is the last registration mileage not on there like it is for cars?
No there is no mileage reporting on UVIP for motorcycles.. and dealers are not required to provide a UVIP anyhow.
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negotiater wrote: No there is no mileage reporting on UVIP for motorcycles.. and dealers are not required to provide a UVIP anyhow.
Registration of a vehicle (motorcycle) is not UVIP. I believe that a mileage is required when changing ownership and registering your vehicle with MOT.
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Pete_Coach wrote: Registration of a vehicle (motorcycle) is not UVIP. I believe that a mileage is required when changing ownership and registering your vehicle with MOT.
What? For a car mileage history will be disclosed on UVIP. For a motorcycle no mileage history is disclosed on UVIP.

Another difference is MTO has insurance data for cars, no data for motorcycles.
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negotiater wrote: What? For a car mileage history will be disclosed on UVIP. For a motorcycle no mileage history is disclosed on UVIP.

Another difference is MTO has insurance data for cars, no data for motorcycles.
"Legislation requires that the department collect and validate the odometer mileage reading for most motor vehicles upon initial registration and registered owner transfers in compliance with the Federal Truth in Mileage Act of 1986.
Reporting of the odometer mileage reading assists in the detection of odometer tampering. The collection of this information provides consumers with an accurate record of the mileage affecting the retail value of the vehicle."
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy ... g/odometer

"The Ontario Highway Traffic Act defines a motorcycle as a self-propelled vehicle that has a seat or saddle for the driver and is designed to travel on no more than three wheels. This definition includes motor scooters, but not motor-assisted bicycles."
https://www.gregmonforton.com/blog/onta ... -laws.html
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Pete_Coach wrote: "Legislation requires that the department collect and validate the odometer mileage reading for most motor vehicles upon initial registration and registered owner transfers in compliance with the Federal Truth in Mileage Act of 1986.
Reporting of the odometer mileage reading assists in the detection of odometer tampering. The collection of this information provides consumers with an accurate record of the mileage affecting the retail value of the vehicle."
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy ... g/odometer

"The Ontario Highway Traffic Act defines a motorcycle as a self-propelled vehicle that has a seat or saddle for the driver and is designed to travel on no more than three wheels. This definition includes motor scooters, but not motor-assisted bicycles."
https://www.gregmonforton.com/blog/onta ... -laws.html
Sigh.. go buy a UVIP for a motorcycle and see for yourself.. even the definition says "most" NOT all
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negotiater wrote: Sigh.. go buy a UVIP for a motorcycle and see for yourself.. even the definition says "most" NOT all
You don't get it do you? If you did not get the following info, that is your loss.

"It is an offence under the Highway Traffic Act for the seller not to provide you with a used vehicle information package if you are buying one of the following used vehicles:

car
van
light truck (gross weight of 3,000 kilograms or less)
self-propelled motor home
motorcycle"
https://www.ontario.ca/page/used-vehicl ... on-package

"The UVIP contains such information as:
• Vehicle particulars — such as the year, make, model, colour, body type, number of cylinders and power
• The vehicle’s registration history in Ontario, showing all owners, their city of residence, and the odometer reading
• The vehicle lien information
• The average wholesale value of the vehicle, and the minimum value for which the retail sales tax will apply
• Driver suspensions
• The condition of the vehicle, including whether it’s mechanically unfit and has not received a Safety Standards Certificate"
https://www.toronto.com/shopping-story/ ... d-to-know/
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Pete_Coach wrote: You don't get it do you? If you did not get the following info, that is your loss.

"It is an offence under the Highway Traffic Act for the seller not to provide you with a used vehicle information package if you are buying one of the following used vehicles:

car
van
light truck (gross weight of 3,000 kilograms or less)
self-propelled motor home
motorcycle"
https://www.ontario.ca/page/used-vehicl ... on-package

"The UVIP contains such information as:
• Vehicle particulars — such as the year, make, model, colour, body type, number of cylinders and power
• The vehicle’s registration history in Ontario, showing all owners, their city of residence, and the odometer reading
• The vehicle lien information
• The average wholesale value of the vehicle, and the minimum value for which the retail sales tax will apply
• Driver suspensions
• The condition of the vehicle, including whether it’s mechanically unfit and has not received a Safety Standards Certificate"
https://www.toronto.com/shopping-story/ ... d-to-know/
Uhhhh...I am not debating the requirement for a UVIP

But tell me how would having a UVIP alert an individual purchasing the bike in this thread that there is odometer issue?????
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negotiater wrote: Uhhhh...I am not debating the requirement for a UVIP

But tell me how would having a UVIP alert an individual purchasing the bike in this thread that there is odometer issue?????
Because UVIPs state odometer readings, when you renew your sticker, part of the information required is the current odometer readings.
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vaportech wrote: Because UVIPs state odometer readings, when you renew your sticker, part of the information required is the current odometer readings.
Lol.. go read my above posts, this is not a car its a motorcycle.. the UVIP info reported for motorcycles lacks odometer reading.. its a flaw in the system or because the # of motorcycles out there is so minuscule MTO doesn't bother.. I have registered at least 15 bikes so I know .. same thing what I mentioned above about insurance their system lets you renew without current coverage unlike a car
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Pete_Coach wrote: "Legislation requires that the department collect and validate the odometer mileage reading for most motor vehicles upon initial registration and registered owner transfers in compliance with the Federal Truth in Mileage Act of 1986.
Reporting of the odometer mileage reading assists in the detection of odometer tampering. The collection of this information provides consumers with an accurate record of the mileage affecting the retail value of the vehicle."
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy ... g/odometer

"The Ontario Highway Traffic Act defines a motorcycle as a self-propelled vehicle that has a seat or saddle for the driver and is designed to travel on no more than three wheels. This definition includes motor scooters, but not motor-assisted bicycles."
https://www.gregmonforton.com/blog/onta ... -laws.html
Alas, Pete, the link that you cited is for California and the federal “Truth in Mileage Act 1986” is an American law. Therefore, this isn’t applicable in Ontario with respect to UVIPs for either cars or motorcycles.
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negotiater wrote: Lol.. go read my above posts, this is not a car its a motorcycle.. the UVIP info reported for motorcycles lacks odometer reading.. its a flaw in the system or because the # of motorcycles out there is so minuscule MTO doesn't bother.. I have registered at least 15 bikes so I know .. same thing what I mentioned above about insurance their system lets you renew without current coverage unlike a car
That’s pretty dumb then.
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@Sonduren , you did a good point warning other about the scam, you also cause your own problem. If I am in your shoes, I sold the bike get my $, the rest is none of my business. Who knows one day, you and the buyer of your bike meet somewhere and bad things may occurs.
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CanadianLurker wrote: Alas, Pete, the link that you cited is for California and the federal “Truth in Mileage Act 1986” is an American law. Therefore, this isn’t applicable in Ontario with respect to UVIPs for either cars or motorcycles.
You are correct.
I did post Ontario information in a later post that still indicated a mileage requirement.
https://www.toronto.com/shopping-story/ ... d-to-know/

There is no difference between a UVIP for cars or motorcycles. All the required details apply to both.
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