$48.17 Bluedio T4S BT headphones

Just for reference, this was $38.49, no taxes, from Amazon CA back on Nov 26.

I bought some Bluedio BT headphones on Amazon (different model ) , with tons of excellent reviews, the BT connectivity was very unreliable,, pairing was awkward, support non-existent . This was before I started to use fakespot.

Now I know that most bluedio headphones (including this model) earn solid F grade https://www.fakespot.com/product/active ... -mic-black.

Stay away from Bluedio!

Why do you have to redirect the posts as if this was a personal attack on yourself? People don't like fake reviews and want to save money on RFD.

Yeah I'm not buying into this brand again. Couldn't wear them longer than an hour. Glad amazon accepted the return on it.

If you're not interested in this deal why bother replying in it? No problem. I'll delete it.

Edit: nevermind I UNdeleted it!

gtirsmiley wrote: ↑ Yeah I'm not buying into this brand again. Couldn't wear them longer than an hour. Glad amazon accepted the return on it.

I should have returned mine too, I thought I would get used to it but I topped out also at about 1 hour. Aside from the unrelenting ear pain, it is quite a nice headset. I am hoping that one day I have the time to design and 3d print a new set of ear cups for it.

HunkaHunkaBurningLove wrote: ↑ If you're not interested in this deal why bother replying in it? No problem. I'll delete it.

Because people are a bunch of d!cks with nothing better to do than thread crap, and they are ruining RFD. Upvoted, thanks for the post, whatever it was.

No worries. I'm just a bit tired this evening. Just thought I would share a little BT headphone deal on eBay for Bluedio T4S's. Seemed not too bad for the money and reviews looked good. eBay feedback over 2000 seemed a little hard to fake. Oh well it sounds like it's all bad from the posts here so best not to buy one.

I've never tried this brand so yeah maybe my ears will be sore too. Hard to say unless they are all the same across the different models. I already picked up a set of Sennheiser HD598's, but I thought I'd try the Blue Blue Bluedios.

HunkaHunkaBurningLove wrote: ↑ If you're not interested in this deal why bother replying in it? No problem. I'll delete it.

Edit: nevermind I UNdeleted it!

Hmmm... Because here on RFD we discuss the products too as the product quality/brand reliability is a part of the good deal. No reason to delete the deal due to that. You posted something that could have been a good deal, let's community to discuss and decide together.

ALso, ebay reviews are seller reviews, combined of many products, and they usually posted within first 5-10 days after receiving the product and mostly associated with simple points like "received product in time" "product looks nice" "product works") , and product does look very nice and works after you unbox it.

Fakespot however, turned out to be very reliable indicator for unethical companies, good product does not need fake reviews. Also while you did not get a chance to own Bluedio product - several of us did and as you can see, nobody was happy with it. Nothing against you, we are just sharing the information about the product.

To some others mentioning threadcrapping - this term is usually used when people post useless comments about disliking the deal but not providing any reasons for it.

I'm all for discussing the pros and cons of a deal. I deleted it because it seemed like no one was remotely interested in these and believe all their products are duds which is fine. Unfortunately we can't all post the lowest-price-ever deals all of the time. $10 over the historical low didn't seem a huge dealbreaker to me. I've bought Aukey power banks which ended up being duds. There were glowing reviews everywhere so I just figured it was my bad luck. Customer service was great though. That doesn't mean all their products are bad. Bosch also had wonderful reviews, but mine has had its share of problems though. I know all products aren't perfect, but there are positives as well.

I understand that you and others have received poor products, but I was just mentioning that the eBay seller had over 2000 positive reviews. I get that part about the early impression feedback and appreciate that fake reviews can give a company a bad rep. People also get free products in exchange for good reviews plus there are paid video reviewers out there so you can't really trust what you see online. I would suspect that within 5-10 days people would have tried the product out before leaving a review. 2 negatives and 3 neutrals out of 2045 is pretty low, and if you look through the feedback they are all for various headsets. Maybe all 2040 died after 5-10 days or stopped working. Who knows.

How do you know that Fakespot is not reporting on fake positive reviews that a competitor has put out to tarnish another company's reputation? If it is very easy for a company to hire people to spam fake good reviews about their own products, wouldn't it be easy for a competitor to spam good reviews about another company's products to trigger some red flags? Seem unlikely? Maybe, maybe not. There was that one posting in the business forum section about a competitor buying all the stock of someone selling on Amazon and then filing for defective products to get them banned from Amazon. Stranger things have happened. Also, a product might be good, but the sales department or one person in charge of online marketing might be less than ethical. It's not all black and white.

While it's nice to know the historical pricing on products, I don't find it hugely helpful. Gasoline may have been 55 cents per litre at some point in time, but most people need it more immediately and cannot wait for the next time it drops that low. Some might be able to wait. In any case, I'll try out the T4S once they arrive, and I'll let people know what I think of them. If they are defective, they are going back as eBay and Amazon both have free return shipping if a product isn't as described. For uncomfortable headsets there are some hacks:

https://lifehacker.com/5886125/make-you ... diy-tricks

HunkaHunkaBurningLove wrote: ↑ I'm all for discussing the pros and cons of a deal. I deleted it because it seemed like no one was remotely interested in these and believe all their products are duds which is fine. Unfortunately we can't all post the lowest-price-ever deals all of the time. $10 over the historical low didn't seem a huge dealbreaker to me. I've bought Aukey power banks which ended up being duds. There were glowing reviews everywhere so I just figured it was my bad luck. Customer service was great though. That doesn't mean all their products are bad. Bosch also had wonderful reviews, but mine has had its share of problems though. I know all products aren't perfect, but there are positives as well.

I understand that you and others have received poor products, but I was just mentioning that the eBay seller had over 2000 positive reviews. I get that part about the early impression feedback and appreciate that fake reviews can give a company a bad rep. People also get free products in exchange for good reviews plus there are paid video reviewers out there so you can't really trust what you see online. I would suspect that within 5-10 days people would have tried the product out before leaving a review. 2 negatives and 3 neutrals out of 2045 is pretty low, and if you look through the feedback they are all for various headsets. Maybe all 2040 died after 5-10 days or stopped working. Who knows.

How do you know that Fakespot is not reporting on fake positive reviews that a competitor has put out to tarnish another company's reputation? If it is very easy for a company to hire people to spam fake good reviews about their own products, wouldn't it be easy for a competitor to spam good reviews about another company's products to trigger some red flags? Seem unlikely? Maybe, maybe not. There was that one posting in the business forum section about a competitor buying all the stock of someone selling on Amazon and then filing for defective products to get them banned from Amazon. Stranger things have happened. Also, a product might be good, but the sales department or one person in charge of online marketing might be less than ethical. It's not all black and white.

While it's nice to know the historical pricing on products, I don't find it hugely helpful. Gasoline may have been 55 cents per litre at some point in time, but most people need it more immediately and cannot wait for the next time it drops that low. Some might be able to wait. In any case, I'll try out the T4S once they arrive, and I'll let people know what I think of them. If they are defective, they are going back as eBay and Amazon both have free return shipping if a product isn't as described. For uncomfortable headsets there are some hacks:

https://lifehacker.com/5886125/make-you ... diy-tricks

There is no absolute truth with the reviews, however it is much harder to create fake 1000+ posters here, then create fake reviews on amazon (and even easier on the ebay - just sell one thousand 10 cent items, or 1000 cheap hone unlocks or something to get the rating). I would say however that it is extremely unlikely that competitor would try to target one specific chinese company and invest with all these fake reviews due to several issues:

• in reality, unfortunately, fake reviews still help to sell the product, as most amazon buyers do not go to any forums, they just search for the product and buy one with good reviews without further research. If anything, competitors would try tons of fake "bad reviews"
• There are too many competitors in the bluetooth headphone market. Amazon fake reviews still cost money (free products, proxies, time spent, accounts etc), and targeting specific competitor is simply not feasible.

Your AUkey example BTW is another good example of the fakespot use - it gives grade C to their powerbank https://www.fakespot.com/product/aukey- ... ices-black and it also corroborates with my experience and what I read on this forum.
This is relatively reliable product, also may be hit and miss, maybe not my top choice but still OK. I have yet to see examples when fakespot ratings are vastly different from actual experience described by regulars in this forum.

Found another Fakespot rating for the Bluedio Turbine T4S giving it a C rating? So which one do you trust? Is the C newer than the F or vice versa? Maybe it's a D.5.

https://www.fakespot.com/product/bluedi ... -mic-black

Do you refuse to purchase from any sellers with a less than A rating? What is the cut-off? I haven't relied on Fakespot.com, and although it might be a reliable source to help check fake reviews, I wonder how accurate it is.

EDIT: I found an older analysis so I clicked run a new one for these red T4S's which resulted in a C rating. I ran some for even older ones in the list, and I got one D and an F so there seems to be an upward trend where reviewers are studying more to make the grade.

https://www.fakespot.com/product/bluedi ... 6728df412c

Fakespot is just one of the indicators, althouh it is a very strong indicator for me - as I already mentioned there is no absolute truth in the reviews. To me ebay reviews < amazon reviews < fakespot rating < RFD reviews by many oldtimers. Together with the pricing it contributes to my decision to buy or not to buy stuff.
My opinions are based on this approach. Since these are my opinions only, and I do not insist that I am always right, either.

Huh. the T3 was $26 on September 21. I actually bought one. How much different is between T3 and T4S?

I have no idea between those models. How do you like the T3's? Is there any latency while watching videos? Did they break down yet? I watched some reviews of the T4's that reported bad audio latency while viewing videos, and other reviews of the T4S that said it was fixed in the S version. One other review reported some latency with the T4S still so I don't know if it's device related or what.

This link below shows a pretty good rating (4-5 star) from about 78% of buyers, but I guess they are mostly fake? If the review says "verified purchase" on it, doesn't that mean the reviewer did actually buy a pair? Or are those mostly Bluedio paid reviewers who were given money to buy a pair or maybe they posted a review too quickly without long term usage?

https://www.amazon.com/Bluedio-T3-Bluet ... B019C1MBWW

I guess what it ultimately comes down to is whether you want to try this particular pair out or not at this price point and if $10 above the historical low is still okay or if you can wait for the next sale. You can always do a return easily especially if you buy from Amazon. With any product there will be people who absolutely hate it and others who love it which is a fact of life. Some will be duds while some will work just fine. I don't know whether it is the best statement to say "Stay away from x product" as it could be a mistake to generalize so broadly.

I just thought I would share this deal as I thought it might be worth trying out. Not everyone wants to spend $300 on a set of BT headphones. It's not everyone's dream deal I'll accept that, and if the headphones turn out to be crud I'll eat my words and report back. It just kind of bothered me that I spent the time to post and share the deal along with finding supporting video reviews about it, and it seemed like people were being pretty critical over it. I never claimed it was the cheapest price or the best product in the world. Next time I spot a deal why would I want to share it since it likely isn't that great? It seems better to lurk and leech off other people's deals I guess to avoid the trouble.

In any case I'll post a short review once I get my pair. I only have a pair of Koss Port-a-Pro and Sennheiser HD598SR's to compare against in terms of sound quality.

Edit: Fakespot gives the HD598SR's a C grade in terms of reviews.

https://www.fakespot.com/product/sennhe ... 284365c56a

I had so many problems with T3s that I gave up. SO I cannot provide much additional feedback. The quality of sound itself was OK. The problems were mostly with connectivity and poor support.
In terms of verified amazon purchase - unfortunately Amazon considers "verified" those reviewers who actually bought the product. (You can leave the review even without buying the product). Many vendors ship the products at the greatly discounted price or even free to the reviewers leaving 5* feedback. Of course the discount is provided after the feedback is left, in the form of the coupon, refund etc. There are even FB groups and websites recruiting people to do that - very unethical in my book, but this is the reality.
And the issue is getting worse... https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoolla ... than-ever/

As you said - as long as return policy is good, get it from amazon, see if you like it personally and then decide. Ebay would not qualify for that unfortunately.

It is also interesting that you found fakespot c-grade for the Sennheiser headphones - you would think they do not need fake reviews but I guess they do sponsor some "testing" although majority of good reviews still seem genuine (for me c-grade is a borderline for the purchases most of the time).

Finally - please do not take personally any feedback about the product you posted about. You should not stop posting the deals just because people may not like them. Maybe I was too strong with my statement to stay away from the specific brand, this is just my personal opinion, no less, no more then that, and I do not own absolute truth. Posting a deal provides benefit for community as it may be in fact very hot, and benefit for you by getting community feedback (it it actually hot? Is product as good as you thought it was?), and this feedback very rarely will be fake here on the forum. Posting your own review is even more helpful.

Sleep defienciency makes me cranky no doubt about that. My apologies if I appear to be a bit snappy, and certainly my snippiness was not intended to be directed at you. The cold, crappy weather, lack of sunlight, and no chance to ride my electric unicycles makes this Hunka a hunk of irritability. I actually reported my deal to the mods to have them delete it, but they moved it here which is fine. Less exposure is okay with me!

I got my Bluedio T4S's today paid by my own money (I don't need free products nor will I ever do fake reviews for anyone so don't even bother). First impressions were good. The unboxing was just like the ones on Youtube, and the product seems to be very high quality for this price point. If it had "SONY" labelled on it with a $75 price tag, I bet you wouldn't even second guess it.

The ear pads seem to fit me fine, but for larger earred people it could be an issue. They seem to be a comfy memory foam material (?) inside the soft pleather covers. I mistook the ANC button for the power on so I had to read the manual which is well written and not the standard Chinglish that you often see. It comes with a good variety of cables plus a nice storage bag.

In terms of sound quality I am quite happy with them. Bass is quite good while mids and highs appear balanced and clear. I'm no audiophile so I can only give you my amateur impression plus I normally use Xiaomi earbuds so this is somewhat new to me. There appears to be no latency or maybe just a millisecond if there is any. I watched some Youtube videos on my iPhone, and I didn't notice any lag. There is a volume rocker switch plus your standard array of other buttons for pairing and phone call functions. I've got a pretty large head, and the pressure isn't bad at all. The length adjusts nicely with numbered line settings. My ears did get a little bit warm after about 20-30 minutes. I'm charging them up right now, but I'll report back after longer usage to see if any ear soreness develops.

ANC seems to work okay. I don't have any baseline to compare to, but it does reduce the bass and mids a little. I actually sort of preferred ANC on mode as I'm not a huge bass lover. You kind of get used to each mode.

The headphones reconnect quickly after my iPhone is in standby mode and awakens. For $48 delivered I really can't find too much fault with these, and trust me I'm pretty critical of things. I don't know why the T3S was that crappy as these seem fine. Did you get them from the official Bluedio seller? There is a scratch and verify sticker on the box to help authenticate things, but I didn't bother trying it as I know it's not that hard to fake those. I'll maybe report back after a few months of usage to share my findings if these are still working.

For defective goods, eBay has free return shipping so you should be covered. I've returned a few items that were not as described, and the seller has funded the return shipping costs.

Edit: I don't know if these need a longer break-in period, but this audio test resulted in so so results. Lows went past 20 hz, and highs cut out around 15,000 hz which didn't seem that good. My hearing test I could hear the sound at about 15,000 hz so maybe it's just a limitation of my hearing? I don't know how good this test is:



Oh god this test is so funny!



Edit: This song sounds great with these headphones.



Edit 2: I ran the headphone test with my wired HD598SR's, and wow the Sennheiser is clearly superior in the sound tests although the frequency range was the same with the sound cutting out at 15,000 hz and bottoming out near 11 hz and lower. The quality was much more consistent with the Sennheiser, but they were double in price and not wireless. I don't think for casual listening most people would notice the shortcomings in the Bluedio. They are really growing on me as I use them more. I don't feel any ear discomfort even though my ears don't fit completely inside of the cushions.