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Electrical wires resting on top of water pipes?

I am running a water line to my fridge and noticed that some electrical wires are resting on top of the copper water lines. Is thisokay? I thought electrical wires are supposed to be fastened to the joists with those nailed in staples.
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Are they definitely electrical wires? Not sure if it's against code, but I'd staple them up anyways, just to be safe.
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ChubChub wrote: Are they definitely electrical wires? Not sure if it's against code, but I'd staple them up anyways, just to be safe.
Yes they are electrical wires which are connected to the pot lights.
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In this instance, I feel like a photo might be somewhat helpful in getting to the bottom of the issue.
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Electric...Wires....Water....Yeah that doesn't sound good
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If the wiring was done for a renovation, then it's acceptable to ESA to just run it loose in a wall or joist cavity.
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MacGyver wrote: If the wiring was done for a renovation, then it's acceptable to ESA to just run it loose in a wall or joist cavity.
I assume that's if the line is fished... But if the wire is exposed, aren't you required to fix it to the joist?

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Definitely staple to joists.

I still got some hanging in my basement ... gotta find time to take care of them.
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I'd staple it anyways but it's not really a hazard. The copper pipe isnt going to burst on the straight run and if it did it would be on a soldered connection that failed. If that happened the electrical wire would have to be cut through all the shielding in that particular spot. If that were to happen then it would trip the breaker. Highly unlikely but I'm sure it's happened a bunch of times. Staple it on both sides of the pipe not directly above.
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Pictures would be useful here.
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It's good practice to keep it off direct contact with the pipes but there is nothing inherently "wrong" with it. If you're worried you could put a small piece of batt insulation in between. The only thing electrical wires really need to stay away from is ductwork as there is sharp metal and hot air from the hot air ducts.
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Drew_W wrote: In this instance, I feel like a photo might be somewhat helpful in getting to the bottom of the issue.
MrSparky wrote: Pictures would be useful here.
Here is what I am asking about:
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I also found this. Is this acceptable?
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I also found this. The white wires aren't properly joined with the marrettes. The copper wiring is exposed. Also shouldn't there be a cover on the box?
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You need a real electrician to fix quite a few things there.
Who wired those pictures?
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Quentin5 wrote: You need a real electrician to fix quite a few things there.
Who wired those pictures?
I don't know for sure, we're not the first owner of this house.
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cheapmeister wrote: I don't know for sure, we're not the first owner of this house.
Its not done to code :facepalm:
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Quentin5 wrote: Its not done to code :facepalm:
So what should I do now? These wires are supplying power to the many pot lights on the ceiling. One section of 6 lights is connected to a dimmer switch but the lights will blink sometimes when someone is walking above on the main floor.
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cheapmeister wrote: So what should I do now? These wires are supplying power to the many pot lights on the ceiling. One section of 6 lights is connected to a dimmer switch but the lights will blink sometimes when someone is walking above on the main floor.
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That may mean all of those circuits are done wrong, that not going to be cheap to fix
If your handy you could get a homeowners permit and learn how to fix the wiring (the electrical code simplified book costs $23), otherwise hiring an electrician will cost some coin
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Quentin5 wrote: oh joy
That may mean all of those circuits are done wrong, that not going to be cheap to fix
If your handy you could get a homeowners permit and learn how to fix the wiring (the electrical code simplified book costs $23), otherwise hiring an electrician will cost some coin
I've got 28 pot lights. +4 in the washroom :rolleyes: 8 of the potlights are in drywall, doubt these are easily accessible. The pics I have shown I can fix. But I dunno about what else I have not seen, and what needs to be done to it to make it proper. It just makes me wonder how someone could be so bad at wiring? I mean I am not an electrician and I can spot these errors very easily. I don't even use the lights, I currently use a plug in lamp, so I don't feel like I should worry, but still this is awful.

I will tell my father tomorrow and see what he says. He'll probably blow his lid and I will have to put up with the yelling and whining Crying Face
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The part that should scare you is this is just what you can see... imagine what's hiding where you can't see it?

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CNeufeld wrote: The part that should scare you is this is just what you can see... imagine what's hiding where you can't see it?

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Ya I know what you mean. The basement is finished but the ceiling is 80% ceiling tile so I can remove the tiles and see how the wiring looks. Wall plugs, well its all sealed up.
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