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Europe launches new restrictions to slow second wave of coronavirus infections

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Europe launches new restrictions to slow second wave of coronavirus infections

Edit..updated title and added new article in last post

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/a ... ronavirus/
Europe launches new restrictions to slow second wave of coronavirus infections
New restrictions are being rolled out across Europe as governments try to contain a surge in COVID-19 infections without imposing national lockdowns that would propel economies into a second crisis.

The new wave of restrictions comes only a month or two after some countries and regions assumed the worst of the pandemic was behind them, only to see the infection rate climb to record or near-record levels. The second wave is hitting France, Spain, the U.K. and a few countries in Central Europe particularly hard
It's been dizzying few weeks since "reopening" of tourism in Europe but with it increasing covid19 cases and countries throwing up quarantine and other restrictions with only hours of notice and affecting travelers
Seems Iceland after initially only requiring a negative test and getting surge in cases has a pragmatic approach where it's negative test to travel there, 6 day quarantine and then another negative test before being released

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/euro ... index.html

Iceland has requirement of 6 day quarantine with negative test on arrival and after 5 days but it's not really feasible for any larger country like Canada or other countries due to amount of visitors and entry points

Also, unlike another poster with fake/wrong comments regarding like 99% become symptomatic in 5 days (with zero citations and totally not backed by any research papers)

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/me ... 4-2020.pdf

Current research papers suggest it's actually around 18 days for 99th percentile while 11-14 days will get you 97th percentile

Incubation Period Estimates Based on Modelling from Case Report Data
4) Li Q, Guan X, Wu P, Wang X, Zhou L, Tong Y, et al. Early transmission dynamics in Wuhan,
China, of novel coronavirus-infected pneumonia. N Engl J Med. 2020 Jan 29 [Epub ahead of
print]. Available from: https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2001316.
Based on information from 10 cases, the mean incubation period was estimated to be 5.2 days
(95% confidence interval: 4.1-7.0), with the 95th percentile for the incubation period estimated
at 12.5 days. The authors acknowledge that is a somewhat imprecise estimate.

5) Backer JA, Don Klinkenberg D, Wallinga J. The incubation period of 2019-nCoV infections
among travellers from Wuhan, China. medRxiv. 2020 Jan 30.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20018986v2.
This is a study of 88 individuals who had been in Wuhan, but had their infections diagnosed
elsewhere after leaving Wuhan. For the best fitting model, the mean incubation period was
estimated at 6.4 days (95% credible interval: 5.6-7.7 days). For this model, the estimated
incubation period ranged from 2.1-11.1 days (2.5th to 97.5th percentile). The poorest fitting
model estimated the 97.5th percentile incubation period at 15.5 days and the 99th percentile
incubation period at 18.5 days. The authors suggested that keeping infected people in
“quarantine for up to 14 days will ensure that they do not develop symptoms after release.”

6) Linton NM, Kobayashi T, Yang Y, Hayashi K, Akhmetzhanov AR, Jung S-M, Yuan B, Kinoshita R,
Nishiura H. Epidemiological characteristics of novel coronavirus infection: a statistical analysis
of publicly available case data. medRxiv. 2020 Jan 26.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20018754v1.
This is a modelling study based on two groups: Group 1) visitors to Wuhan (12 cases) and
Group 2) visitors to Wuhan, as well as Wuhan residents who were diagnosed outside Wuhan
(31 cases). Using the best fitting of three models, the median incubation periods were 4.6 days
(95% confidence interval (CI): 3.3-5.8) and 5.0 days (95% CI: 4.0-5.8) for groups 1 and 2
respectively. The 99th percentile for the best fitting model was 8.4 days (95% CI: 5.7-10.3) and
8.6 days (95% CI: 6.3-10.5), for groups 1 and 2 respectively. The longest 99th percentile
incubation period for all the models for either group was 13.0 days (95% CI: 7.1-20.7).

7) Zheng Q, Meredith H, Grantz K, Bi Q, Jones F, Lauer S. Estimating the incubation time of the
Wuhan coronavirus based on traveler data using coarse data tools. HopkinsIDD. 2020 Jan 29.
https://github.com/HopkinsIDD/ncov_incubation.
This is a modelling study based on 101 cases of 2019-nCoV confirmed outside of Hubei province
(i.e., in other countries or in other regions of Mainland China with no known local
transmission). Median incubation period was estimated at 5.2 days (95%CI: 4.5-6.0). The 2.5th
percentile incubation period was estimated to be 2.5 days (95%CI: 1.8-3.6), while the 97.5th
percentile was estimated to be 10.5 days (95%CI: 7.4-15.1).
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So what are they planning? Quarantine extending to 18 or 20 days?
All of a sudden these spikes everywhere seems like a plan to do shutdown again?
How the hell were cases down, now spiking everywhere.....just cuz the media says so?

Or this is a plandemic part 2 now to lock us down again? I thought countries were ready now with secured masks and ppe?
With everyone wearing masks and ppe and distancing why are the cases increasing? Are masks useless then ?
Or they wanna push some drugs into us calling it a vaccine??
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Community spread, probably due to not using masks and social distancing.
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apnayloags wrote: So what are they planning? Quarantine extending to 18 or 20 days?
All of a sudden these spikes everywhere seems like a plan to do shutdown again?
How the hell were cases down, now spiking everywhere.....just cuz the media says so?

Or this is a plandemic part 2 now to lock us down again? I thought countries were ready now with secured masks and ppe?
With everyone wearing masks and ppe and distancing why are the cases increasing? Are masks useless then ?
Or they wanna push some drugs into us calling it a vaccine??
?? What does media have to do with spikes in actual cases in Asia/Europe or even places like BC?

Really curious on why you suggest it's the media that's causing these increase in infections? Are you suggesting they're reporting numbers that are different from the health authorities?

Second and subsequent waves was always expected.
As for reasons, it's been suggested due to people especially younger ones not practicing social distancing and disregarding rules/restrictions and having big parties/gatherings, bars and indoor eating/dining with "reopening" and people thinking"it's over"

Eg a single patron at a Starbucks in Seoul infected 56 others

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKCN25E0ES
Starbucks Corp's (SBUX.O) South Korean unit is scrambling to curb the spread of coronavirus, cutting seating capacity in its cafes and delaying a promotional campaign after 50 cases were linked to one of its stores outside of Seoul.

People aren't wearing masks inside bars , restaurants or house parties and other places opened up dance clubs even. We are far from universal masking as there's lots of exception and some people like you say it's fake and made up and it's the media?

Heck even in Vancouver there's no mandatory masking inside
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Forty percent of people with coronavirus infections have no symptoms.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... rus-covid/

The only reason covid is such blown over and lockdowns happened is because old people are the most affected. And who is in power and votes the most? Old people.

If young people would be dying, guess how many lockdowns and economy destroying actions would've happened. Zero

Right now we have destroyed family lives and entire economies to protect people who already lived out their lives, have nothing to contribute and would die out in a few years anyway.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ographics/

Of course media will have you think that everybody is dying in droves since they are showing the one case where a 20 year old died.

A mere 2% died without an underlying conditions
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Messerschmitt wrote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... rus-covid/

The only reason covid is such blown over and lockdowns happened is because old people are the most affected. And who is in power and votes the most? Old people.

If young people would be dying, guess how many lockdowns and economy destroying actions would've happened. Zero

Right now we have destroyed family lives and entire economies to protect people who already lived out their lives, have nothing to contribute and would die out in a few years anyway.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ographics/

Of course media will have you think that everybody is dying in droves since they are showing the one case where a 20 year old died.

A mere 2% died without an underlying conditions
Where to even start with such gross misunderstanding of epidemiology, statistical analysis, and missing-the-point-completely with respect to death-rate.

Clearly, COVID-19 deniers are receptive to the same sort of manipulative scientific misdirection and willful ignorance as the climate-change denial gang.

Yup, it is all a media-led, medical/science-led, massive conspiracy.
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robsaw wrote: Where to even start with such gross misunderstanding of epidemiology, statistical analysis, and missing-the-point-completely with respect to death-rate.

Clearly, COVID-19 deniers are receptive to the same sort of manipulative scientific misdirection and willful ignorance as the climate-change denial gang.

Yup, it is all a media-led, medical/science-led, massive conspiracy.
And the YouTube has all the answers that we morons cannot find. Why the hell am I doing a PhD, I will just join a few Facebook groups and get the real truth!
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admiralackbar wrote: And the YouTube has all the answers that we morons cannot find. Why the hell am I doing a PhD, I will just join a few Facebook groups and get the real truth!
LOL. So true. Anyone posts a Youtube video or has a FB channel and 50K people start forwarding the nonsense.
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Did all the people who did their research on YouTube and Facebook miss how the US is doing? Pretty much every country is denying access to any US citizen. The entire country is getting infected. I think Florida and California are doing really bad. California opened up way too early and spread the virus again.

It's not just about people potential dying. It's about not overwhelming the hospitals. There are also some cases where some people are still having respiratory issues after testing negative for Covid. But man, those people whom made the YouTube videos or typed out a paragraph from his basement must be correct. :rolleyes:
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ds2chan wrote: It's about not overwhelming the hospitals.
My daughter was born on March 29th of this year, right when people and the media started to talk about "frontline workers". Guess what, the hospital was almost empty and no doctors were wearing a mask.
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demersfinancial wrote: My daughter was born on March 29th of this year, right when people and the media started to talk about "frontline workers". Guess what, the hospital was almost empty and no doctors were wearing a mask.
We just went into lock down in March. Did you miss how the US is doing? Canada did a better job and our numbers are way better than that of the US. I assume most or some hospitals were not at capacity but that was because Canada did a way better job than the US. Did you see the videos of some of the hospitals in the US? Obviously, not all hospitals is going to be at like that in the videos. Those videos are just the worst case scenario but the point is we don't want to get there.
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ds2chan wrote: Did you see the videos of some of the hospitals in the US? Those videos are just the worst case scenario but the point is we don't want to get there.
I really don't care about what's happening in the States. We should be looking at Sweden, where freedom is for real, not just fake freedom like in the States.
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demersfinancial wrote: I really don't care about what's happening in the States. We should be looking at Sweden, where freedom is for real, not just fake freedom like in the States.
Lots of issues in Sweeden with the 2nd go around of the Socilist party being in power. Hopefully, they vote to turn things around in 2022 because at this rate their healthcare and education system are going downhill as quickly as the crime/drug problem has even in smaller cities/towns like Malmo and Lund.
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donttoewsmebro wrote: Lots of issues in Sweeden with the 2nd go around of the Socilist party being in power. Hopefully, they vote to turn things around in 2022 because at this rate their healthcare and education system are going downhill as quickly as the crime/drug problem has even in smaller cities/towns like Malmo and Lund.
I hope you know the "socialist" party in Sweden is a pretty right wing/conservative ideology right?

The right wing party in power in Sweden (ironically named the socialist party) is a big issue like the GOP in the states in terms of rapid rise of corporate influence and slashing of public services and acceleration in privatization

Not as bad as the GOP, but like most right wing parties, they have sort of let businesses do whatever they want at expense of citizens

There's danger that people (maybe like you) see their name and think they're socialists as we perceive them to be here when in practice they're equivalent to the conservative parties here
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StatsGuy wrote: I hope you know the "socialist" party in Sweden is a pretty right wing/conservative ideology right?

The right wing party in power in Sweden (ironically named the socialist party) is a big issue like the GOP in the states in terms of rapid rise of corporate influence and slashing of public services and acceleration in privatization

Not as bad as the GOP, but like most right wing parties, they have sort of let businesses do whatever they want at expense of citizens

There's danger that people (maybe like you) see their name and think they're socialists as we perceive them to be here when in practice they're equivalent to the conservative parties here
Nope just after talking with people I know in Sweden and the troubles they are having.

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