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Here's a good article in Sept. about the Honda Clarity vs. Chevy Volt.

2018 Honda Clarity PHEV Could Be The Chevy Volt’s Strongest Competitor Yet

Things of note, the Clarity will only take 2.5 hrs to charge on 240V whereas the Volt takes 4.5 hrs. The Clarity is also a lot roomier and with nicer interior refinements, but my main peeve is still the stupid semi-covered wheel to remind us of the ugly Honda Insight from the past. Don't they realize that customers want their EVs looking as normal as possible? The Clarity will also likely cost a couple of thousand more than the Volt.

The ugly exterior design is likely a deal-killer for me though. What a shame because this car has potential based on the technological specs and quality interior but too many odd looking exterior curves and again the stupid rear wheel partial cover. The designers were trying too hard to make it as aerodynamic as possible while sacrificing the looks.

What's behind the Clarity's quirky looks?

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Was hanging around at a Toyota dealership waiting for my car's servicing and noticed the tags on the windows showing 20k km fuel expenditure in 2017 at 93 cents and 2018 at 98 cents.

Probably makes it easier for car shoppers to accept that it will cost them only $1500 when in fact, it is now closer to $1900. :(
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Ford is going to stop manufacturing the C-Max to increase production of trucks and SUVs .

“Ford C-Max Energi production has ended,” Dan Jones, Ford’s North America Car Communications Manager, told Green Car Reports. “We will continue to make C-Max Hybrid at Michigan Assembly Plant until mid-2018.”

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HN12345 wrote:
Nov 10th, 2017 7:43 am
Here's a good article in Sept. about the Honda Clarity vs. Chevy Volt.

2018 Honda Clarity PHEV Could Be The Chevy Volt’s Strongest Competitor Yet

Things of note, the Clarity will only take 2.5 hrs to charge on 240V whereas the Volt takes 4.5 hrs. The Clarity is also a lot roomier and with nicer interior refinements, but my main peeve is still the stupid semi-covered wheel to remind us of the ugly Honda Insight from the past. Don't they realize that customers want their EVs looking as normal as possible? The Clarity will also likely cost a couple of thousand more than the Volt.

The ugly exterior design is likely a deal-killer for me though. What a shame because this car has potential based on the technological specs and quality interior but too many odd looking exterior curves and again the stupid rear wheel partial cover. The designers were trying too hard to make it as aerodynamic as possible while sacrificing the looks.

What's behind the Clarity's quirky looks?

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I glanced the article quickly but I don't think they mention if the clarity can do highway speeds on electric only like the Volt.

And yes the design is ugly as sin, but that's inline with the civic and Accord.
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Here's a very good in depth review of the Bolt, video just released a couple of days ago.

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Skimmed it. The thing is w/ these types of arguments, they just take a static view. Things will definitely get better w/ less emissions. Heck, if ppl had that type of mentality, they would've stopped the Industrial Revolution 'cuz coal be making too much pollutionz' and revert back to whatever they had, horses, matches lol. Can't stop progress, period. Skynet, Blade Runner, etc, will become reality, luckily I'll be long dead by then (hopefully). LOL.
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This has already been pretty much stated in the following video. With EV's having less than 1% market share and global EV sales amounting to 3-4 days sales of regular cars, the public isn't buying it. I wonder how many Focus EV's would sell without a reduction of $14,000. I suspect very few.

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People were saying the same thing when the car replaced the horse drawn buggy. But did that stopped them?
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Inconvenient truth about EV's EVs
Apostrophes do not make words, acronyms, or initialisms plural. *except in a few rare instances of which this is not.
This study only applies to electricity generated by dirty sources. It's already been debunked on a state-by-state comparison.
Based on where EVs have been bought to-date, the average EV in the US now produces emissions equivalent to a hypothetical gasoline car achieving 73 MPG.

Nearly half of the EVs sold to date have gone to California, where the average EV produces global warming emissions equal to a 95 MPG gasoline car. The next 5 states for EV sales (Georgia, Washington, New York, Florida, and Texas) account for 20 percent of US EV sales and are regions that have emissions ratings of 50 MPG or better.
The study cited for the Tesla batteries has also been debunked.
The study's finding of 8.2 years is "based on a series of assumptions." To get to that figure, two of those assumptions must have been that the internal-combustion vehicle in question gets great mileage and isn't driven very much. Oh, and while battery production incurs a carbon footprint in these statistics, the gasoline in the study magically appears in your tank and the only carbon emitted is from burning it (that is, the calculations ignore the carbon emissions created by producing and moving large quantities of gasoline). Those are nifty assumptions.
At this point, even the dirtiest coal plants producing electricity at scale are cleaner than burning fossil fuels locally in a vehicle.

Speaking of coal, China has already shuttered hundreds of coal plants and stopped construction on hundreds more. Their remaining coal will be cleaner than the US' shortly as well.
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Nov 13th, 2017 12:05 am
This has already been pretty much stated in the following video. With EV's EVs having less ...
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JPTN wrote:
Nov 13th, 2017 8:16 am
Apostrophes do not make words, acronyms, or initialisms plural. *except in a few rare instances of which this is not.

"Prager University" is a right-wing non-profit with about as much credibility as Trump University.
Thanks for the grammar correction chief. You got me, English is not my first language.

Instead of just attacking the source because it doesn't jive with your socialist agenda, is there anything in that video that is untrue? Is lithium mining a clean industry? Is rare earths mining clean? Is it the C02 figures you don't agree with?

Quebec is the EV capital of the country, they are throwing the kitchen sink at them. Results, 0,3% share. For 2018 ZEV have to make up 3.5% of all cars sold here. How? That would imply a 10 times increase in EV in 12 months. Any manufacturer who doesn't comply will have to buy credits from a manufacture that does, in other words Tesla must be laughing get subsidized by their own competitors. Mazda, Subaru, Chrysler etc don't even make an EV. Walk into any dealer and ask about how many people inquire about an EV, I can tell you it's about 1 in 50. SUV's are selling like hotcakes despite rising gas prices. Clearly the public realizes the limits these cars have, I really wish politicians would stop ramming EV down my throat and let the market decide. Bad enough the Prime Minister has rammed weed down the throats of everyone. Can't wait until summer to bask in the smell of second hand weed on walk down Ste. Catherine street. :rolleyes:

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