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Here's a very good in depth review of the Bolt, video just released a couple of days ago.

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Skimmed it. The thing is w/ these types of arguments, they just take a static view. Things will definitely get better w/ less emissions. Heck, if ppl had that type of mentality, they would've stopped the Industrial Revolution 'cuz coal be making too much pollutionz' and revert back to whatever they had, horses, matches lol. Can't stop progress, period. Skynet, Blade Runner, etc, will become reality, luckily I'll be long dead by then (hopefully). LOL.
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This has already been pretty much stated in the following video. With EV's having less than 1% market share and global EV sales amounting to 3-4 days sales of regular cars, the public isn't buying it. I wonder how many Focus EV's would sell without a reduction of $14,000. I suspect very few.

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More EV news, now regarding school buses...

Saf-T-Liner® C2 electric bus by Thomas Built Buses



Full OEM vehicle performance
Top speed of 65 mph
No transmission/shifting
0-60 mph acceleration in 45 seconds Face With Tears Of Joy
Regenerative braking
Automated drive cycles require no change to driver behavior
Full charge in less than 8 hours with standard chargers SAE J1772

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People were saying the same thing when the car replaced the horse drawn buggy. But did that stopped them?
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Inconvenient truth about EV's EVs
Apostrophes do not make words, acronyms, or initialisms plural. *except in a few rare instances of which this is not.
This study only applies to electricity generated by dirty sources. It's already been debunked on a state-by-state comparison.
Based on where EVs have been bought to-date, the average EV in the US now produces emissions equivalent to a hypothetical gasoline car achieving 73 MPG.

Nearly half of the EVs sold to date have gone to California, where the average EV produces global warming emissions equal to a 95 MPG gasoline car. The next 5 states for EV sales (Georgia, Washington, New York, Florida, and Texas) account for 20 percent of US EV sales and are regions that have emissions ratings of 50 MPG or better.
The study cited for the Tesla batteries has also been debunked.
The study's finding of 8.2 years is "based on a series of assumptions." To get to that figure, two of those assumptions must have been that the internal-combustion vehicle in question gets great mileage and isn't driven very much. Oh, and while battery production incurs a carbon footprint in these statistics, the gasoline in the study magically appears in your tank and the only carbon emitted is from burning it (that is, the calculations ignore the carbon emissions created by producing and moving large quantities of gasoline). Those are nifty assumptions.
At this point, even the dirtiest coal plants producing electricity at scale are cleaner than burning fossil fuels locally in a vehicle.

Speaking of coal, China has already shuttered hundreds of coal plants and stopped construction on hundreds more. Their remaining coal will be cleaner than the US' shortly as well.
ottofly wrote:
Nov 13th, 2017 12:05 am
This has already been pretty much stated in the following video. With EV's EVs having less ...
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JPTN wrote:
Nov 13th, 2017 8:16 am
Apostrophes do not make words, acronyms, or initialisms plural. *except in a few rare instances of which this is not.

"Prager University" is a right-wing non-profit with about as much credibility as Trump University.
Thanks for the grammar correction chief. You got me, English is not my first language.

Instead of just attacking the source because it doesn't jive with your socialist agenda, is there anything in that video that is untrue? Is lithium mining a clean industry? Is rare earths mining clean? Is it the C02 figures you don't agree with?

Quebec is the EV capital of the country, they are throwing the kitchen sink at them. Results, 0,3% share. For 2018 ZEV have to make up 3.5% of all cars sold here. How? That would imply a 10 times increase in EV in 12 months. Any manufacturer who doesn't comply will have to buy credits from a manufacture that does, in other words Tesla must be laughing get subsidized by their own competitors. Mazda, Subaru, Chrysler etc don't even make an EV. Walk into any dealer and ask about how many people inquire about an EV, I can tell you it's about 1 in 50. SUV's are selling like hotcakes despite rising gas prices. Clearly the public realizes the limits these cars have, I really wish politicians would stop ramming EV down my throat and let the market decide. Bad enough the Prime Minister has rammed weed down the throats of everyone. Can't wait until summer to bask in the smell of second hand weed on walk down Ste. Catherine street. :rolleyes:
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radeonboy wrote:
Nov 13th, 2017 12:32 am
More EV news, now regarding school buses...

Saf-T-Liner® C2 electric bus by Thomas Built Buses


Full OEM vehicle performance
Top speed of 65 mph
No transmission/shifting
0-60 mph acceleration in 45 seconds Face With Tears Of Joy
Regenerative braking
Automated drive cycles require no change to driver behavior
Full charge in less than 8 hours with standard chargers SAE J1772
You laugh about the acceleration but that's actually probably faster than a Thomas diesel school bus ... Top speed is probably comparable. (FWIW, 0-60 takes a long time because 60mph is very close to it's top speed. Most cars accelerate very slowly when they get close to their top speed unless they are significantly limited electronically (i.e. high performance sedan might not take that long to get to it's 240km/h top speed if, without the limiter, could actually go to 270 km/h so 240 isn't really it's limit) ).
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ottofly wrote:
Nov 13th, 2017 8:56 am
Thanks for the grammar correction chief. You got me, English is not my first language.

Instead of just attacking the source because it doesn't jive with your socialist agenda, is there anything in that video that is untrue? Is lithium mining a clean industry? Is rare earths mining clean? Is it the C02 figures you don't agree with?

Quebec is the EV capital of the country, they are throwing the kitchen sink at them. Results, 0,3% share. For 2018 ZEV have to make up 3.5% of all cars sold here. How? That would imply a 10 times increase in EV in 12 months. Any manufacturer who doesn't comply will have to buy credits from a manufacture that does, in other words Tesla must be laughing get subsidized by their own competitors. Mazda, Subaru, Chrysler etc don't even make an EV. Walk into any dealer and ask about how many people inquire about an EV, I can tell you it's about 1 in 50. SUV's are selling like hotcakes despite rising gas prices. Clearly the public realizes the limits these cars have, I really wish politicians would stop ramming EV down my throat and let the market decide. Bad enough the Prime Minister has rammed weed down the throats of everyone. Can't wait until summer to bask in the smell of second hand weed on walk down Ste. Catherine street. :rolleyes:
You mean it doesn't smell like that all the time in the winter?
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ottofly wrote:
Nov 13th, 2017 8:56 am
Thanks for the grammar correction chief. You got me, English is not my first language.

SUV's SUVs are selling...
Not mine either... and apparently, it needs repeating.
ottofly wrote:
Nov 13th, 2017 8:56 am
Instead of just attacking the source because it doesn't jive with your socialist agenda, is there anything in that video that is untrue? Is lithium mining a clean industry? Is rare earths mining clean? Is it the C02 figures you don't agree with?
Oh where to begin...
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I laugh because its cute, but totally fine for its application. I wouldn't want them to speed with children inside.
michelb wrote:
Nov 13th, 2017 9:13 am
You laugh about the acceleration but that's actually probably faster than a Thomas diesel school bus ... Top speed is probably comparable. (FWIW, 0-60 takes a long time because 60mph is very close to it's top speed. Most cars accelerate very slowly when they get close to their top speed unless they are significantly limited electronically (i.e. high performance sedan might not take that long to get to it's 240km/h top speed if, without the limiter, could actually go to 270 km/h so 240 isn't really it's limit) ).
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radeonboy wrote:
Nov 13th, 2017 9:59 am
I laugh because its cute, but totally fine for its application. I wouldn't want them to speed with children inside.
Got it! I thought you were commenting on how slow the acceleration is (EVs certainly don't have a reputation for being particularly fast (although Telsa and some hybrid supercars are certainly proving that this is not the case) and I just wanted to point out that these numbers are actually comparable to the gas / diesel versions ...
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I'm still trying to figure out if these school buses have seat belts installed, its going to be 2018 soon and I can't fathom that school buses continue to not have seat belts.
michelb wrote:
Nov 13th, 2017 10:09 am
Got it! I thought you were commenting on how slow the acceleration is (EVs certainly don't have a reputation for being particularly fast (although Telsa and some hybrid supercars are certainly proving that this is not the case) and I just wanted to point out that these numbers are actually comparable to the gas / diesel versions ...

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