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Martin (deal addict) wrote: These figures reflect the fact that Tesla has no real competition.
SO fun fact, I mainly got the FFE to test out an electric, but also with the expectation that there would be so many more options (Alenbrenton light, if you will). 3 years later, there is the Model 3 and a bunch of "coming soons". 3 years ago, there was also a bunch of "coming soons".

It's kinda sad, really.
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Konowl wrote: SO fun fact, I mainly got the FFE to test out an electric, but also with the expectation that there would be so many more options (Alenbrenton light, if you will). 3 years later, there is the Model 3 and a bunch of "coming soons". 3 years ago, there was also a bunch of "coming soons".

It's kinda sad, really.
yes, not much has changed in 3 years.
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Elec2016 wrote: yes, not much has changed in 3 years.
It's just gonna slow down in the short term too.
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Elec2016 wrote: yes, not much has changed in 3 years.
The 14k incentive sold BEV.
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divx wrote: The 14k incentive sold BEV.
Incentive works but EV mandate like the one in California will work better.

The lack of BEV is due to other countries have way more punitive, business unfriendly fines for lack of action. And any available batteries manufacturers can get will go to those jurisdiction first which lead to lack of choices here.
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divx wrote: The 14k incentive sold BEV.
One province doesn't dictate the whole of BEV offerings though. One state has wagged the dog to get some compliance cars, but overall manufacturers have been slow to expand.

It's interesting to observe the European makes that talked a good game about BEV expansion have had to keep their limited production in Europe to comply with European GHG standards, leaving mostly PHEVs for North America.
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divx wrote: The 14k incentive sold BEV.
Ontario and it's 14k incentive did not drive worldwide adoption of BEV's though.
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Mike15 wrote: One province doesn't dictate the whole of BEV offerings though. One state has wagged the dog to get some compliance cars, but overall manufacturers have been slow to expand.
It's interesting to observe the European makes that talked a good game about BEV expansion have had to keep their limited production in Europe to comply with European GHG standards, leaving mostly PHEVs for North America.
Not sure EU should be concerned about GHG emissions as the biggest polluter is US and China.
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Mike15 wrote: One province doesn't dictate the whole of BEV offerings though. One state has wagged the dog to get some compliance cars, but overall manufacturers have been slow to expand.

It's interesting to observe the European makes that talked a good game about BEV expansion have had to keep their limited production in Europe to comply with European GHG standards, leaving mostly PHEVs for North America.
I don't think any manufacturer that want to stay in business in Europe will divert all battery vehicles there until the fine stops, regardless of PHEV or BEV.

Like I calculated in the RAV4 PHEV thread, Toyota need to sell 60k RAV4 PHEV by end of 2020 to avoid fine which means 2/3 of the RAV4 they sell in Europe for 2020/21 needs to be PHEV.
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divx wrote: Not sure EU should be concerned about GHG emissions as the biggest polluter is US and China.
They can only impact their own jurisdiction, right? So they do what they can. Ultimately GHG emissions need to be reduced in totality to reduce atmospheric concentration. It doesn't necessarily matter where the reductions are coming from (I'm sure it does to some degree, but overall reduction is of primary importance).

Interestingly, I'd argue for the past ~10 years or so the California ZEV mandate has greatly increased EV availability for the rest of North America. We probably would have never got the FFE without California, for example. EU regulations are conversely having the impact of keeping some EVs there due to limited battery production.
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Mike15 wrote: They can only impact their own jurisdiction, right? So they do what they can. Ultimately GHG emissions need to be reduced in totality to reduce atmospheric concentration. It doesn't necessarily matter where the reductions are coming from (I'm sure it does to some degree, but overall reduction is of primary importance).
Interestingly, I'd argue for the past ~10 years or so the California ZEV mandate has greatly increased EV availability for the rest of North America. We probably would have never got the FFE without California, for example. EU regulations are conversely having the impact of keeping some EVs there due to limited battery production.
The impact of the virus has done more to curb GHG than any of their green mandate.
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Canada should be providing incentives to build BEVs in Canada maybe in Alberta. They seem to have funds to bail out the heavily polluting oil from tar sands projects.

http://priceofoil.org/2020/03/20/with-t ... r-oil-gas/

Its only a matter of time before we are swamped with BEVs from China and nobody will want Canada's expensive (cost and environmental damage) oil.
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divx wrote: The impact of the virus has done more to curb GHG than any of their green mandate.
With economic impacts and protests in the streets. And we still don't know how we will devolve from this.

That's why China has now removed all previously enacted environmental protection and let the industries have at it to maintain stability.

COVID reduced GHG is only temporary. When people stop having job to put food on the table, environment will take a back seat again.
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divx wrote: Not sure EU should be concerned about GHG emissions as the biggest polluter is US and China.
That's a bit of a silly argument isn't it?
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Martin (deal addict) wrote: Canada should be providing incentives to build BEVs in Canada maybe in Alberta. They seem to have funds to bail out the heavily polluting oil from tar sands projects.
http://priceofoil.org/2020/03/20/with-t ... r-oil-gas/
Its only a matter of time before we are swamped with BEVs from China and nobody will want Canada's expensive (cost and environmental damage) oil.
I agree, get Quebec to return all the transfer payment and use it to subsidize EV in Alberta.

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