Very clever interpreting of the rulebook from Mercedes. Apparently they discussed this with the FIA long before today's testing. I'm surprised the FIA didn't close the loophole.
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Why would this be a "loophole"?
So much of the cars can be manipulated now (in car as well as by engineers in the pits), why is the wheel geometry not manipulative as well? Mercedes was just the first to implement what all engineers have known.
I can assure you that the others are trying to figure out how to do it too
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Mercedes steering device to be banned by FIA from 2021 https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/51584557
"The innovative steering system introduced by Mercedes for this season will be banned from 2021.
Mercedes have been cleared to use the system for 2020 and technical director James Allison hopes it will "bring an advantage during the season".
But the rules are changing for 2021 in such a manner that the system would not be legal under the new regulations.
Michael Masi, race director of governing body the FIA, confirmed the rule change on Friday."
It's doubtful that teams who have not had any development with this will bother to spend the money for 1 season, if they even could catch up at this point. Ferrari must be wishing they still had their spies!
Edit: Looks like the other teams have a "wait & see" attitude; it it gives an advantage, they'll go for it.
"Racing Point team principal Otmar Szafnauer said: "If it is a huge effort for little benefit probably (we will) not (go for it) because of limited resource, but if it is a small effort for a big benefit, then probably yes."
Speaking of Otmar, Netflix's Drive to Survive Season 2 airs starting the 28th!
"The innovative steering system introduced by Mercedes for this season will be banned from 2021.
Mercedes have been cleared to use the system for 2020 and technical director James Allison hopes it will "bring an advantage during the season".
But the rules are changing for 2021 in such a manner that the system would not be legal under the new regulations.
Michael Masi, race director of governing body the FIA, confirmed the rule change on Friday."
It's doubtful that teams who have not had any development with this will bother to spend the money for 1 season, if they even could catch up at this point. Ferrari must be wishing they still had their spies!
Edit: Looks like the other teams have a "wait & see" attitude; it it gives an advantage, they'll go for it.
"Racing Point team principal Otmar Szafnauer said: "If it is a huge effort for little benefit probably (we will) not (go for it) because of limited resource, but if it is a small effort for a big benefit, then probably yes."
Speaking of Otmar, Netflix's Drive to Survive Season 2 airs starting the 28th!
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I wonder if pressure form all the other teams made the FIA make this ruling?smacd wrote: ↑ Mercedes steering device to be banned by FIA from 2021 https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/51584557
"The innovative steering system introduced by Mercedes for this season will be banned from 2021.
Mercedes have been cleared to use the system for 2020 and technical director James Allison hopes it will "bring an advantage during the season".
But the rules are changing for 2021 in such a manner that the system would not be legal under the new regulations.
Michael Masi, race director of governing body the FIA, confirmed the rule change on Friday."
It's doubtful that teams who have not had any development with this will bother to spend the money for 1 season, if they even could catch up at this point. Ferrari must be wishing they still had their spies!
Edit: Looks like the other teams have a "wait & see" attitude; it it gives an advantage, they'll go for it.
"Racing Point team principal Otmar Szafnauer said: "If it is a huge effort for little benefit probably (we will) not (go for it) because of limited resource, but if it is a small effort for a big benefit, then probably yes."
Speaking of Otmar, Netflix's Drive to Survive Season 2 airs starting the 28th!
Wouldn't be a coup if this allows Mercedes to run away with the championship and it would be pretty hard to wash the eggs off the faces of the rule makers LOL
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Ferrari basically said they could not implement DAS until mid season. Everyone is scrambling to find out a way.Pete_Coach wrote: ↑ I wonder if pressure form all the other teams made the FIA make this ruling?
Wouldn't be a coup if this allows Mercedes to run away with the championship and it would be pretty hard to wash the eggs off the faces of the rule makers LOL
Well with archive streams, I had 3 streams going on 3 devices, 2 different ISP IPs and 1 account. Didn't try anything live and testing is too early in the morning.
I have Android TV and I tried 3 different way to watch on big screen, in term of quality:
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2. Chromecast from Chrome browser on Surface Tablet - 7/10
3. Puffin browser on Android TV - 9/10
The only down side is, 1 and 2 give out better interface to flip thru the cameras and 3 seems to be unstable at parts. Friend told me to try Chromcast from Brave browser instead of Chrome and it seems to provide better quality.
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Probably, especially if the end result is tires that don't overheat and fall off the cliff. It would be nice to have the teams not have to nurse them so much. Interesting that Mercedes are definitely following the rules as they are currently written, though.Pete_Coach wrote: ↑ I wonder if pressure form all the other teams made the FIA make this ruling?
Wouldn't be a coup if this allows Mercedes to run away with the championship and it would be pretty hard to wash the eggs off the faces of the rule makers LOL
"This is allowed under the 2020 rules because the relevant clause says only: "The front wheels are adjusted solely by the steering and under the full control of the driver."
But the 2021 rules contain a clause which says: "The alignment of the front wheels must only take place through a constant function of a rotational movement of a single steering wheel."
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Apparently the rule for 2021 that would make it illegal was written before preseason testing started.... Also it is not entirely clear if it is legal or not for 2020. It will all depend on whether it is deemed to be a part of the steering system or part of the suspension system, in the eyes of F1. All this is according to Ted, Johnny and Rachel from Sky Sports...Pete_Coach wrote: ↑ I wonder if pressure form all the other teams made the FIA make this ruling?
Wouldn't be a coup if this allows Mercedes to run away with the championship and it would be pretty hard to wash the eggs off the faces of the rule makers LOL
Of course we can rely on the FIA to have a fair, just and impartial ruling LOL.
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I wish I could buy it.... For some reason I can not register on the F1 site to buy it. No need yet though as I was able to catch a bit of testing on Sky F1 live before work.
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I was able to apply the discount came to $59. If more the one person can watch at a time, I wouldnt mind sharing my account.Canuck2fan wrote: ↑ I wish I could buy it.... For some reason I can not register on the F1 site to buy it. No need yet though as I was able to catch a bit of testing on Sky F1 live before work.
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